[AUTHOR'S NOTE: This isn't really a story I've looked forward to updating. Los Angeles groups were much friendlier to each other than groups from other cities and freely interchanged members. Even granting that, the story of the Hollywood Flames is more convoluted than most. Additionally, Bobby Byrd told differing stories to various researchers. I'll do the best I can. The quotes from Bobby Byrd appeared in Yesterday's Memories #3, back in September 1975. NOTE: he's not the Bobby Byrd who was in James Brown's Famous Flames.]
The Hollywood Flames existed from 1949 to 1966. In that time, they recorded under a bewildering variety of names, for a bewildering number of labels, with a bewildering cast of personnel.
They began as the Flames in 1949. Bobby Byrd said:
So, according to Bobby, the initial group was David Ford (first tenor), Willie Ray Rockwell (second tenor), Curlee Dinkins (baritone/bass), and Bobby Byrd (bass, baritone, tenor). However, it looks like the second tenor spot was the initial revolving door: a particular recording could have had Willie Ray Rockwell (try saying that three times fast), Leon Hughes, or Clyde Thin Man Tillis.
Their first recordings, as the Flames, were made for John Blackburn's Selective label: Please Tell Me Now and Young Girl, both led by Bobby, were released in January 1950. Please Tell Me Now was re-released soon after, with See See Rider (led by David Ford) as the flip. In March, Selective issued Sugar Man (Parts 1 and 2), by Peppy Prince and His Sugarmen. It's the Flames doing the vocals.
It took the Flames a year and a half to have another recording. In late 1951, they hooked up with alto sax player Sherman Williams, who owned the Unique label. In November 1951, Unique released Dividend Blues and W-I-N-E (both led by Bobby) by the Hollywood Four Flames.
Sherman Williams had some kind of deal going with Art Rupe, owner of Specialty Records and its Fidelity subsidiary. Thus, several Unique masters found their way to Rupe's labels. In November 1951 W-I-N-E was also released on Fidelity (as by the Four Flames), but this time the flip was the David Ford-led Tabarin.
In December 1951, Fidelity issued The Bounce by the Sherman Williams Orchestra. Part 2 has a vocal by the Four Flames. These were also Unique masters.
Specialty released a cover version of The Wheel Of Fortune (led by David Ford) in January 1952. It's flip was Later, which might have been led by Curlee Dinkins. Once again these Unique masters were billed as the Four Flames.
Then it was back to the Hollywood Four Flames, when Tabarin was re-released on Unique, this time with the Bobby Byrd-led Cryin' For My Baby as the flip. The label claims that the personnel were David Ford, Bobby Byrd, Curlee Dinkins, and Clyde Tillis.
In April, the final Unique recordings were issued: Please Say I'm Wrong (led by David Ford), backed with The Masquerade Is Over (fronted by Curlee Dinkins).
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After this, the Hollywood Four Flames broke with both Unique and Specialty, turning to John Dolphin's Recorded In Hollywood label. There were two releases in August of 1952: I'll Always Be A Fool (David Ford)/She's Got Something (Bobby Byrd) and Young Girl (Bobby)/Baby Please. Young Girl was a re-recording of the Selective cut. I'm not really sure who the lead on Baby Please is. It's totally unlike any other voice you hear on a Hollywood Flames record. The first time I heard it, I was ready to write it off as some other group that Dolphin stuck on the back of a Flames record, but at the very end you can hear the unmistakable voice of Bobby Byrd. My wild guess is that it's Willie Ray Rockwell doing lead.

In September, Dolphin reissued Young Girl, but this time it had The Glory Of Love on the flip. Led by David Ford, the recitation was performed by Robin King Bruin a DJ on both KGFJ and KWKW (which originated from the window of John Dolphin's record store).
About the same time as the first Recorded In Hollywood disc, there was a release on Otis and Leon René's Spin label. Credited to the Flames, the sides were: Strange Land Blues (led by Willie Ray Rockwell) and a remake of Cryin' For My Baby (Bobby).
Bobby Byrd claimed that the group was relatively stable during this period:
However, since the Unique label mentions Clyde Tillis and not Willie Ray Rockwell, that isn't really an accurate statement. On the other hand, with all the recording and switching record companies, a few things are bound to get lost in the shuffle.
And then, the Flames hooked up with Leo and Eddie Mesner's Aladdin Records (and its 7-11 subsidiary):

In 1953 we went to Aladdin Records and got two new members. Willie Ray Rockwell had left to sing with the Lamplighters; his place was taken first by Leon Hughes, who later sang with the Coasters, and then by Gaynel Hodge, a second tenor who had been singing with a new group, the Platters. Curlee Dinkins also left (although he was to return many times) and was replaced by Curtis Williams. This is a name which has a familiar ring to most people. He is the same artist who started the Penguins and also wrote Earth Angel. (I know because he wrote most of it at my house.) Curtis was a member of the Flames before he wrote Earth Angel. In fact, he tried to get us to record it, but we never did.
Just to put it in perspective, Gaynel Hodge would have left the Platters sometime after their May 1954 Federal session and Curtis Williams would have gone to the Penguins around the same time. However, nothing in Los Angeles is easy and Gaynel has said: we were 'duped' into it by Bobby Day and David Ford, who promised a better career than the one we seemed to be enjoying as the Flamingos. (When Gaynel says the Flamingos, he's talking about the original name of the Platters. Both Gaynel and Curtis were charter members. Curtis left them for the Flames, but Gaynel seems to have bounced back and forth.)
So it looks like the Aladdin/7-11 sides (on which they were [almost] always called the Flames again) were done with David Ford, Bobby Byrd, Leon Hughes, and Curtis Williams. They started their Aladdin career in December 1952 by backing up Patty Anne (the step-daughter of owner Eddie Mesner, whose name is also seen as "Patti Anne"). The tunes were My Heart Is Free Again and Midnight (a cover of the Margie Day/Griffin Brothers song).
Their next sides were issued on Aladdin's 7-11 subsidiary in March 1953: Volcano and Gomen Nasai (both led by David). On this record they're billed (for unknown reasons) as the Jets.
The next 7-11 release was July's Keep On Smiling (David)/Baby, Baby, Baby (Bobby). The following month saw Together/Baby, Pretty Baby (both led by Bobby). That same month saw another backup to Patty Anne: Sorrowful Heart (the flip was a Patty Anne solo). These were all issued as by the Flames.
Then it was time to wave goodbye to Aladdin (for a while), as they headed off to Jack Lauderdale's Swing Time label. There, they released Let's Talk It Over (David), backed with I Know (led by Gaynel Hodge) in December 1953. This would indicate that Gaynel was singing with both the Platters and the Flames at the same time, because he was on the Platters May 1954 session). Note that this record was a milestone in the career of the Flames: it was the first time they were credited as the Hollywood Flames.
There was a second release on Swing Time in February 1954, and it's a mess. One side is Go And Get Some More (clearly led by Bobby Byrd). The flip, however, is Another Soldier Gone, a gospel song originally on Drummond (a Detroit label) by the Violinaires. Jack Lauderdale was buying up masters all over the place (including some by Detroit's Serenaders) and Another Soldier Gone seems to be an alternate take by the Violinaires; it certainly isn't the Flames. To make matters more confusing, both sides are credited to the Question Marks (or, to be more accurate, the ? Marks).
The Hollywood Flames then returned to John Dolphin, who now owned the Lucky label. In March 1954, they released the pretty One Night With A Fool (David)/Ride Helen Ride (Bobby).
In May, Aladdin issued a couple of their older masters (once again as the Jets): I'll Hide My Tears (David; another song written by Murry Wilson)/Got A Little Shadow (Bobby).
The next Lucky release (July 1954) was "Peggy" (Gaynel)/"Oooh-La La" (David and Bobby duet lead). In September, Lucky issued "I Know" and "Let’s Talk It Over," which John Dolphin had purchased from Swing Time. Since "I Know" had been a local hit, Dolphin was trying for national distribution. Also released in September was "Fare Thee Well" (David) and "Clickety Clack I’m Leaving" (David and Bobby in a duet lead). These were on Money, another Dolphin label.
"Oooh-La-La" started making some local noise, and, on September 4, the trade papers announced that Decca had signed the Hollywood Flames. They had acquired the group from John Dolphin, who was listed as the owner of Lucky Records. They not only got the Flames, they picked up four of the Lucky masters too: "Peggy," "Oooh-La La," "Let's Talk It Over," and "I Know." To make it even more confusing, "Peggy" and "Oooh-La-La" were reissued on Don Pierce’s Hollywood label (in which Dolphin had, until recently, been a partner) in October, at the same time that they were released on Decca. This was probably the result of a deal wherein Decca would release the tunes nationally, but Hollywood would have the Los Angeles territory to itself.
In January 1955, Decca released the other two masters they'd purchased: "Let's Talk It Over" and "I Know." There was no more talk of the Hollywood Flames on Decca after this. I think that's significant.
Aladdin Records then released "Shtiggy Boom" in February 1955. This was another Patty Anne tune, on which we always assumed she was backed by the Flames (the flip, "Baby, Baby, I’m In Love With You" was a Patty Anne solo). "Shtiggy Boom" had been recorded that month as a cover of Leo Diamond's original on RCA. There were also versions by the Musical Notes, the Nuggets, the Dooley Sisters (backed up by the Jac-O-Lacs), and Joe Houston (with vocal by the uncredited Platters). Was her backup group the Hollywood Flames? I doubt it. The entire contribution by the uncredited group was to chant "Shtiggy Boom, Shtiggy Boom" throughout the song. It's possible that some of the guys were there, but, as I hope to show below, not all of them.
That same month Dolphin released another Hollywood Flames cut on Money: "Emily" (led by Gaynel). It had been recorded in September 1954, and, for reasons that are now becoming clear to me (I hope), he billed them as the "Turks."
Here's what I wrote in my Turks article:
Bobby Byrd had this to say about the spate of recording during 1952 through 1955 (unfortunately, some of it is isn't really correct):
Starting in 1955, a lot of odd things happened. They weren't evident to me when I did the original interviews with Bobby Byrd and David Ford, so I never asked about them. Since both are now deceased, it seems likely that much of this section will have to remain based on educated guesses. Fortunately, I have more resources available to me now than I did in the 70s, when the interviews were done.
Here's the point of the speculation: although neither Bobby Byrd nor David Ford mentioned it, I believe that by the end of 1954, the Hollywood Flames had ceased to exist, breaking up for over a year and a half. As far as I can tell, at that time, the Hollywood Flames were: David Ford, Bobby Byrd, Gaynel Hodge, and Curlee Dinkins. My conclusion is based on several facts.
Bobby Byrd then recorded with the Voices. Bobby told me that these were duets between him and tenor Earl Nelson, with Bobby overdubbing a third voice. While that’s probably true on some of the cuts, baritone Jules Castron is a third voice on some of them (but don’t ask me which). These Voices records were on Dolphin’s Cash label:
Two Things I Love/Why May 1955
Hey Now/My Love Grows Stronger August 1955
Takes Two To Make A Home/I Want To Be Ready October 1955
Santa Claus Boogie/Santa Claus Baby November 1955
All Voices leads were by Bobby Byrd, with the exception of Takes Two To Make A Home (led by Earl Nelson), Two Things I Love (Bobby and Earl duet lead), and Santa Claus Baby (all). Around July 1955, the Voices backed up Ravon Darnell, on Million Dollar: One Of These Mornings/I'll Be Back. In September, they went on a Texas tour (Houston, Fort Worth, and Dallas) with B.B. King, Louis Jordan, Donna Hightower, Dottie Smith, Harold Conner, and Johnny "Guitar" Watson.
One other tune recorded by the Voices (on October 10, 1955) is "Crazy," led by Earl Nelson. We'll run into it again later, when it somehow pops up as the flip of "Buzz-Buzz-Buzz."
I received a photo from Michelle Crowell, daughter of Mitchell Alexander (original bass of the Feathers), that shows Bobby Byrd, Earl Nelson, Curlee Dinkins, Bobby Relf, and Mitchell Alexander. What group is this? I have no idea (nor did she). When is it from? Again, it's debatable, but my guess is sometime in early to mid 1956 (Bobby Relf was tied up with the Laurels throughout 1955 and Mitchell Alexander joined the Chargers in early 1958). Unfortunately, as of this writing (February 2008), Bobby Byrd, Bobby Relf, and Mitchell Alexander are all deceased and Earl Nelson is suffering from Alzheimer's. The sole remaining member in the photo, Curlee Dinkins, seems to be disinclined to talk about the whole thing. Whatever it represents, it was a posed photo. Since portrait photographers weren't cheap, this was not just a bunch of guys who got together to sing; there were plans afoot. (The only hesitation that I have with dating it from 1956 is that in it, Bobby Byrd has the same haircut that he sports in his 1957 photos. However, since the Hollywood Flames were clearly together again in 1957, I'd rather stick with 1956. Besides, I don't have any photos of Bobby from 1956, so he might have been wearing his hair that way then.)
On June 9, 1955, David Ford and Gaynel Hodge joined with Jesse Belvin and Gaynel's brother, Alex, to record as the Tangiers for Decca. There were two resulting records: a re-recording of "Tabarin," backed with "I Won’t Be Around" in August, and "Remember Me"/"Oh Baby," which wasn’t issued until July 1956. The Decca Tangiers were not the Hollywood Flames.
And let's go right into another mystery: The Aladdin files list So Alone/Flame Mambo [possibly Flam Mambo] as #3349. That would mean a release date of October 1956. Bobby Byrd remembered singing lead on So Alone, and the flip has the guys backing Patty Anne again. The only trouble is, no one's ever seen the record. I don't doubt that the recordings were real, but they were probably pulled at the last moment for some reason.
The next time I know that Bobby Byrd and David Ford were together is in the Ebbtides on Specialty; that session was held in September 1956. The single record that resulted was "The Sound Of Your Voice" (led by David), coupled with "My Confession" (Bobby; a re-recording of the unreleased Cash master that was originally waxed in January of that year). The sides were issued in November. Is anyone out there following this? (Heck, is anyone in here following this?)
And now it starts to get complicated.
By 1957, the guys had hooked up with Leon René's Class Records. The group was now David Ford, Bobby Byrd, Curlee Dinkins, and Earl Nelson. However, Leon René decided to break Bobby Byrd off from the Flames and make a soloist out of him. [If it were only that simple!] The Flames (now known as the Satellites) continued to back up Bobby Byrd (now known as Bobby Day) on Class and he kept singing with them (as the Hollywood Flames) on Ebb. As he said:
The first Bobby Day record was Come Seven/So Long Baby, released in March 1957. On the top side, there's no group at all, just someone whistling. The flip has a group, but it's the Dread Chorus, probably not containing any of the Flames.
The following month, the group recorded as Earl Nelson & the Pelicans for Class: I Bow To You (led by Earl) and Oh Gee, Oh Golly (the duet lead of Earl and the returning Curtis Williams).

In July, Bobby Day, backed by the Satellites, had Little Bitty Pretty One (which probably would have been a big hit, but he was out-done by Thurston Harris's cover version). The flip was When The Swallows Come Back To Capistrano (a song that made sense to record; Leon René owned the label and he'd written the tune way back in 1940). Bobby said:
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Even though Earl Nelson was singing with the Hollywood Flames and Bobby Day was both singing with them and on his own, the two of them paired to make a few Bob & Earl records (all subsequent Bob & Earl releases had Bobby Relf in place of Bobby Day). The records, all on Class, were:
There was a period during which the Hollywood Flames, the Satellites, Bobby Day, and Bob & Earl could all be booked on the same show. Who knows what the audience suspected? According to Bobby Byrd, the Hollywood Flames appeared at the Apollo Theater (New York), Howard Theater (Washington, D.C.), Lincoln Theater (Los Angeles), and theaters in Burbank, San Bernadino, Long Beach, Pomona, San Diego, Glendale, Pasadena, Santa Ana, and Alhambra.
So as not to be lost in the Bobby Day shuffle, the Hollywood Flames signed with Ebb Records, owned by Lee Rupe (ex-wife of Specialty's Art Rupe). The first thing that they did there (in October 1957) was a tune Bobby had written: Buzz-Buzz-Buzz (led by Earl Nelson). Finally, after recording for almost eight years, the Hollywood Flames had a real hit. The flip, also led by Earl, was Crazy. However, Crazy wasn't by the Hollywood Flames at all; it was a 1955 cut by the Voices. (I have no idea how Ebb came up with that one.) Buzz-Buzz-Buzz was the last cut on which Bobby Byrd sang with the Hollywood Flames (although they continued to back him up as the Satellites). The bass they got to replace Bobby Byrd was Don Wyatt. He'd been with the Colts/Fortunes late in their career.
On November 8, the Hollywood Flames began a week at the Apollo Theater along with the Coasters, the Ernie Freeman Orchestra, Lillian Offitt, Pigmeat Markham, and Bobby Day.
In November, Bobby Day had Beep-Beep-Beep with the Satellites. The flip was the solo Darling, If I Had You. Another entry from late 1957 was Robert Byrd & His Birdies on Spark: Bippin' And Boppin'/Strawberry Stomp. Unfortunately, it's hard to date exactly, since it's in a totally different series from any other Spark record. The master numbers have LS prefixes, which would seem to indicate that Leiber and Stoller reactivated the label for this one release. There's no group on the top side and Strawberry Stomp is actually an instrumental by Gil Bernal. The disc was reissued on Jamie in December. Also in December, Class issued Bobby and the Satellites' Honeysuckle Baby/Sweet Little Thing.

1958 started off with two Ebb releases by the Hollywood Flames: Give Me Back My Heart (led by David)/A Little Bird (Earl) came out in January; Strollin' On The Beach (Earl)/ Frankenstein's Den (Don Wyatt and Clyde Tillis). The group on Frankenstein's Den was David Ford, Earl Nelson, Clyde Tillis, Don Wyatt, and the Perennial Favorite To Be With A Group For A Very Short Time: high tenor Prentice Moreland.
On February 7, they were back at the Apollo Theater, along with Frankie Lymon, the Playmates, the Rays, the El Dorados, Jimmy Reed, and John Lee Hooker.
In March, the Hollywood Flames were used to back up Joe Jefferson (as the Tangiers) on his Class recordings of Don't Try and School Days Will Be Over. As Bobby Byrd said:
The Flames backed up Joe Jefferson (another early member of the Platters) on Don't Try/School Days Will Be Over which was released as the Tangiers on Class. Joe was never a member of the group.
Also in March, Bobby Day and the Satellites had Little Turtle Dove/Saving My Love For You. Finally, in May 1958, Bobby had his very own hit, Rockin' Robin. The flip was Over And Over, which Thurston Harris once again covered.
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June 1958 saw the release of Chains Of Love by the Hollywood Flames on Ebb (so what if it was actually the Bob & Earl Class master?), backed with a re-recording of 1953's Let's Talk It Over (led by David Ford). The next month, the group, as the Satellites, released Heavenly Angel (led by Curtis Williams) and You Ain't Sayin' Nothin' (Earl) on Class (it was reissued on Malynn, later that year).
The Hollywood Flames closed out 1958 with two releases on Ebb: October's I'll Get By/A Star Fell and November's I'll Be Seeing You/Just For You. All were led by Earl. The Bobby Day & the Satellites entry for December was The Bluebird, The Buzzard, And The Oriole, backed with Alone Too Long. As far as I can figure out, these are the last sides that paired Bobby and the Flames.
By this time, Earl Nelson had pretty much replaced David Ford as the lead singer of the group, although, as far as I know, there was never a Hollywood Flames record that didn't have David.
January 1959 saw a re-release of Bobby Byrd & the Crescendos' Sweet Dreams on Atlantic. This time it had I'll Be Seeing You as the flip.
The final Ebb sides were all released in 1959. With the exception of Hawaiian Dream (David), they were all led by Earl Nelson. Note that Much Too Much was written by Jules Castron, the shadowy third voice in the Voices back in 1955. The tunes were:
According to David Ford, the basic Ebb group consisted of David Ford (tenor), Earl Nelson (tenor), Curtis Williams (baritone), and Clyde Tillis (baritone). (This makes no mention, however of Don Wyatt, who wasn't there all that long anyway.) Dave also said that Jesse Belvin can be heard in the background of many of the Ebb sides, although he was never a member of the group.
On August 4, they appeared at the Apollo, as part of a Dr. Jive show. Others on the show were Larry Williams, the Cadillacs, Little Anthony & the Imperials, the Skyliners, Frankie Lymon, the Clintonian Cubs, and Eugene Church.
After this, both Curtis Williams and Clyde Tillis quit. The new members were tenor Eddie Williams (former lead of the Aladdins) and baritone Ray Brewster. (Both Eddie and Ray had been in the later Colts with Don Wyatt.) Then, the whole group picked up and moved to New York, after securing a contract with Atlantic Records' Atco subsidiary. (While the personnel changes won't get any easier, the recordings sure will.)
In December 1959, they had their first Atco release: Every Day, Every Way (led by Earl Nelson)/ If I Thought You Needed Me (fronted by Eddie Williams). Atco arranged for them to appear at the Apollo Theater to push the record (the week of December 25). Others on the show were: Lloyd Price, Tarheel Slim & Little Ann, and the 5 Keys.
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They were back at the Apollo on February 19, 1960 for another Dr. Jive show. This time they shared the stage with Johnny Nash, the Flamingos, Nappy Brown, Tiny Topsy, the Centurians, Eugene Church, Barrett Strong, Jean Sampson, and the Fidelitys.
April 1960's Atco entry was Ball And Chain (led by Earl)/I Found A Boy. (While David Ford incorrectly recalled that "I Found A Boy" was led by Earl also, it turns out to be fronted by a female voice; David never mentioned that there was ever a girl in the group!) In July, they did Devil Or Angel (all), coupled with Do You Ever Think Of Me (a duet lead between the girl and, probably, Earl). On the final Atco session (held September 15, 1960), Curtis Williams returned, replacing Earl Nelson. (He won't be back; that's one less name to keep track of.) The results were Money Honey (Eddie Williams) and My Heart's On Fire (Curtis and David).
Note that Earl Nelson continued to be a part of Bob & Earl throughout the 60s. He went on to record as "Jackie Lee," on Mirwood, in the mid-60s, when he had a hit with "The Duck" (the Jackie Lee on Swan was a white piano player).
After that, the Flames made one record for Chess. At this time the group consisted of a tenor (David Ford) and three baritones: Curtis Williams, Ray Brewster and new member Donald Height, who had replaced Eddie Williams (another singer permanently gone). Released in March 1961, both Gee and Yes They Do were led by Donald Height.
On February 2, 1962, they were part of a Hal Jackson oldies show at the Apollo. Others on the bill were the Clovers, the Cadillacs, the Imperials, Charlie & Ray, the Charts, the Kodoks, the Turbans, Tiny Topsy, and the Reuben Phillips Orchestra.
Enter tenor John Berry (lead of the Rainbows on Mary Lee). He was now a songwriter living in New York City and David Ford approached him for material. They got to know each other and John ended up joining the Hollywood Flames when Ray Brewster went off to join Bobby Spencer's Cadillacs, (that recorded for Capitol). John became sole or part writer of most of the remaining Flames' songs.
In 1962, they (David Ford, John Berry, Donald Height, and Curtis Williams) recorded Believe In Me (led by Donald Height), I Can't Get A Hit Record (Donald), and Elizabeth (all) for Aaron Goldie Goldmark, a New York songwriter/publisher. Believe In Me/Elizabeth were released on Goldmark's own Goldie label in July.
Goldmark leased all these sides to Phil Landwehr's Coronet Records (another New York company that was a subsidiary of Premier Records). Believe In Me, backed with I Can't Get A Hit Record, was released on a Coronet single in late 1962 or early 1963. A budget Coronet album (were there any other kind?), with an August 1963 date in the wax, credits the three named sides to Charlie Francis and his group. [Charlie Francis was one of the all-purpose names used by Coronet and Premier for any artist whom they wanted to disguise for some reason.] A fourth Charlie Francis tune, called Mountain Of A Man, was actually by some other group.)
After this, Donald Height and Curtis Williams left. By the time the dust settled, the new Flames were: David Ford (tenor), John Berry (tenor), Reggie Jackson (first tenor and baritone), the returning Ray Brewster (baritone), and Tony Middleton (yes, the Tony Middleton who had been the lead of the Willows). This group recorded two songs for Goldmark: Letter To My Love (led by John Berry) and Drop Me A Line (led by Tony Middleton). Goldmark placed the tunes with Vee-Jay, where they were released in April 1963. Tony Middleton was only present for the one session, but said he'd stay if the record took off (it didn't).
By 1965, the Hollywood Flames were near the end of their career. January 1, 1965 found them at an oldies show at the Apollo Theater along with Sonny Til & the Orioles, the 5 Keys, the Solitaires, the Bobbettes, Charlie & Ray, Screamin' Jay Hawkins, the Clovers, Jackie & the Starlites, and Paul Winley.
The Hollywood Flames' final records were made for Juggy Murray's Symbol label, a subsidiary of Sue Records. The group on these was: David Ford (tenor), John Berry (tenor), George Watson (second tenor), and Joe Thompson (baritone/bass). Dance Senorita and Annie Don't Love Me No More were both led by George Watson and came out in late 1965. The final Flames record was I'm Coming Home (George Watson)/I'm Gonna Stand By You (John Berry), released April 1966.
In spite of everything winding down, David Ford actually had two simultaneous Hollywood Flames groups! The group he used for appearances had Reggie Jackson (first tenor, second tenor, baritone) and two girls, Toni and Jean, whose last names he couldn't remember.
In 1967 The Hollywood Flames broke up for good as Dave returned to California. Thus ended the 18-year history of one of the most famous West Coast groups.
So many people sang with the Flames over the years that it's difficult to keep track of them all. Of the original four (David Ford, Bobby Byrd, Curlee Dinkins, and Willie Ray Rockwell), only Curlee is still alive (and performing), as are Gaynel Hodge and Tony Middleton (this is being written in November 2006). John Berry is also still with us. Curtis Williams is deceased, but I don't know about any of the others. Earl Nelson passed away on July 12, 2008 after years of deteriorating health.
Considering the length of time the Hollywood Flames were around, they probably should have had a greater impact on the music scene. Only Buzz-Buzz-Buzz and Rockin' Robin were hits, but they were biggies.
Special thanks to Victor Pearlin, Frank Gengaro, and Billy Vera. Ads are from Galen Gart's First Pressings series. Discography mainly from Ferdie Gonzalez and Disco-File.
SELECTIVE (Flames)
113 Please Tell Me Now (BB)/Young Girl (BB) 1/50
113 Please Tell Me Now (BB)/See See Rider (DF) 50
118 Sugar Man, Part 1/Sugar Man, Part 2 - Peppy Prince & His Sugarmen (voc: Flames) 3/50
UNIQUE (Hollywood 4 Flames)
003 Dividend Blues (BB)/W-I-N-E (BB) 11/51
FIDELITY (4 Flames; all Unique masters)
3001 Tabarin (DF)/W-I-N-E (BB) 11/51
3002 The Bounce (Pt 1)/The Bounce (Pt 2) - Sherman Williams Orchestra (voc: 4 Flames) 12/51
SPECIALTY (4 Flames; Unique masters)
423 The Wheel Of Fortune (DF)/Later (CD?) 1/52
UNIQUE (Hollywood 4 Flames)
005 Tabarin (DF)/Cryin' For My Baby (BB) 1/52
015 Please Say I'm Wrong (DF)/The Masquerade Is Over (CD) ca. 4/52
RECORDED IN HOLLYWOOD (Hollywood 4 Flames)
164 I'll Always Be A Fool (DF)/She's Got Something (BB) 8/52
165 Young Girl (BB) /Baby Please (WR?/BB) 8/52
(Young Girl is a different version than Selective)
SPIN (Flames)
101 Strange Land Blues (WR)/Cryin' For My Baby (BB) ca. 8/52
(Cryin' For My Baby is a different version than Unique)
RECORDED IN HOLLYWOOD (Hollywood 4 Flames)
165 Young Girl (BB)/The Glory Of Love (DF; recitation by DJ Robin King Bruin) 9/52
ALADDIN (Patty Anne [Mesner] & the Flames)
3162 My Heart Is Free Again (PA)/Midnight (PA) 12/52
7-11 (Flames & Jets)
2102 Volcano (DF)/Gomen Nasai (DF) [Jets] 3/53
2106 Keep On Smiling (DF)/Baby, Baby, Baby (BB) [Flames] 7/53
2107 Together (BB)/Baby, Pretty Baby (BB) [Flames] 8/53
ALADDIN (Patti Anne, backed up by the uncredited Flames)
3198 Sorrowful Heart (PA)/[Beginning To Miss You - Patti Anne] 8/53
UNRELEASED ALADDIN/7-11
Let's Talk It Over (DF)
Tears Keep Tumbling Down (ALL)
SWING TIME (Hollywood Flames & Question Marks)
345 Let's Talk It Over (DF)/I Know (GH) - Hollywood Flames 12/53
346 Go And Get Some More (BB)/[Another Soldier Gone (Violinaires)] - Question Marks 2/54
UNRELEASED SWING TIME (practice tapes)
Marie (DF)
Mellow As A Man Can Be (BB)
Rose Ann Of Charing Cross (DF)
LUCKY (Hollywood Flames)
001 One Night With A Fool (DF)/Ride Helen Ride (BB) 3/54
ALADDIN (Jets)
3247 I'll Hide My Tears (DF)/Got A Little Shadow (BB) 5/54
LUCKY (Hollywood Flames)
006 Peggy (GH)/Oooh-La La (DF & BB duet lead) 7/54
009 Let's Talk It Over (DF)/I Know (GH) [the Swing Time masters] 9/54
MONEY (Hollywood Flames)
202 Fare Thee Well (DF)/Clickety Clack I'm Leaving (DF & BB duet lead) 9/54
HOLLYWOOD (Hollywood Flames; Lucky masters)
104 Peggy (GH)/Oooh-La La (DF & BB duet lead) 10/54
DECCA (Hollywood Flames; Lucky masters)
29285 Peggy (GH)/Oooh-La La (DF & BB duet lead) 10/54
48331 Let's Talk It Over (DF)/I Know (GH) 1/55)
MONEY (Turks; but recorded as Hollywood Flames)
211 Emily (GH)/[When I Return - Turbans] 2/55
ALADDIN (Patty Anne, supposedly backed by the Flames; but see text)
3280 Shtiggy Boom (PA)/[Baby Baby, I'm In Love With You - Patty Anne] 2/55
MODERN (Sounds; are they the Hollywood Flames? – my feeling is no; see the text)
975 Cold Chills (BB)/So Unnecessary (BB) 11/55
981 Sweet Sixteen (BB)/Anything For You (BB) 1/56
CASH (Turks; had been recorded as Hollywood Flames)
1042 Wagon Wheels (BB) - Original Turks/[It Can't Be True - the actual Turks] 7/56
ALADDIN (Flames; no one has ever seen this record)
3349 So Alone (BB)/Flam [Flame?] Mambo (PA) 10/56
SPECIALTY (David Ford & Ebbtides)
588 The Sound Of Your Voice (DF)/My Confession (BB) 11/56
CLASS (Earl Nelson & Pelicans)
209 I Bow To You (EN)/Oh Gee, Oh Golly (EN&CW) 4/57
CLASS (Bobby Day & Satellites)
211 Little Bitty Pretty One (BB)/When The Swallows Come Back To Capistrano (BB) 7/57
EBB (Hollywood Flames)
119 Buzz-Buzz-Buzz (EN)/Crazy (EN; this is a 1955 Voices cut) 10/57
CLASS (Bobby Day & Satellites)
215 Beep-Beep-Beep (BB)/[Darling If I Had You - Bobby Day solo] 11/57
220 Honeysuckle Baby/Sweet Little Thing 12/57
EBB (Hollywood Flames)
131 Give Me Back My Heart (DF)/A Little Bird (EN) 1/58
144 Strollin' On The Beach (EN)/Frankenstein's Den (DW & CT) 3/58
CLASS (Tangiers)
224 Don't Try (JJ)/School Days Will Be Over (JJ) 3/58
CLASS (Bobby Day & Satellites)
225 Little Turtle Dove (BB)/Saving My Love For You (BB) 3/58
229 Rockin' Robin (BB)/Over And Over (BB) 5/58
EBB (Hollywood Flames)
146 Chains Of Love (BB & EN)/Let's Talk It Over (DF) 6/58
CLASS (Satellites)
234 Heavenly Angel (CW)/You Ain't Sayin' Nothin' (EN) 7/58
(reissued on Malynn later that year)
EBB (Hollywood Flames)
149 I'll Get By (EN)/A Star Fell (EN) 10/58
153 I'll Be Seeing You (EN)/Just For You (EN) 11/58
CLASS (Bobby Day & Satellites)
241 The Bluebird, The Buzzard, And The Oriole (BB)/Alone Too Long (BB) 12/58
EBB (Hollywood Flames)
158 So Good (EN)/There Is Something On Your Mind (EN) 2/59
162 Now That You're Gone (EN)/Hawaiian Dream (DF) 5/59
163 Much Too Much (EN)/In The Dark (EN) 6/59
UNRELEASED EBB
Two Little Bees
It's Love
ATCO (Hollywood Flames)
6155 Every Day, Every Way (EN)/If I Thought You Needed Me (EW) 12/59
6164 Ball And Chain (EN)/I Found A Boy (UFV) 4/60
6171 Devil Or Angel (ALL)/Do You Ever Think Of Me (UFV & EN) 7/60
6180 Money Honey (EW)/My Heart's On Fire (CW/DF) 10/60
UNRELEASED ATCO
This Love Of Mine
I Need You Baby
Every Day
Faith Is The Word
Lights Out
Where Did I Go Wrong
CHESS (Hollywood Flames)
1787 Gee (DH)/Yes They Do (DH) 3/61
UNRELEASED CHESS
Dear One
Don't Mess With The Messer
GOLDIE (Hollywood Flames)
1101 Believe In Me (DH)/Elizabeth (ALL) 7/62
CORONET (Hollywood Flames)
7025 Believe In Me (DH)/I Can't Get A Hit Record (DH) ca. late 62
VEE-JAY (Hollywood Flames)
515 Letter To My Love (JB)/Drop Me A Line (TM) 4/63
CORONET (as Charlie Francis and his group)
CX198 Brook Benton Sings (the A side has four Brook Benton songs) 8/63
Elizabeth (ALL)
Believe In Me (DH)
I Can't Get A Hit (DH) [note that the word Record was omitted from the title]
Mountain Of A Man [this track is not by the Hollywood Flames]
SYMBOL (Hollywood Flames)
211 Dance Senorita (GW)/Annie Don't Love Me No More (GW) 65
215 I'm Coming Home (GW)/I'm Gonna Stand By You (JB) 4/66
LEADS:
BB = Bobby Byrd (Bobby Day)
CD = Curlee Dinkins
CT = Clyde Thin Man Tillis
CW = Curtis Williams
DF = David Ford
DH = Donald Height
DW = Don Wyatt
EN = Earl Nelson
EW = Eddie Williams
GH = Gaynel Hodge
GW = George Watson
JB = John Berry
JJ = Jody Jefferson, backed by the Hwd Flames
PA = Patty [or Patti] Anne [Mesner], backed by the Flames
TM = Tony Middleton
UFV = Unknown female voice
WR = Willie Ray Rockwell
SAGE AND SAND (Bobby Byrd)
203 Please Don't Hurt Me/Delicious Are Your Kisses ca. 5/55
204 Candle Of Love/Peanut Brittle ca. 5/55
CASH (Voices)
[Bobby Byrd, Earl Nelson, and sometimes Jules Castron]
1011 Two Things I Love (BB & EN)/Why (BB) 5/55
1014 Hey Now (BB)/My Love Grows Stronger (BB) 8/55
1015 Takes Two To Make A Home (EN)/I Want To Be Ready (BB) 10/55
1016 Santa Claus Boogie (BB)/Santa Claus Baby (ALL) 11/55
MILLION $ (Ravon Darnell & Voices)
2015 One Of These Mornings (RD)/I'll Be Back (RD) ca. 7/55
CASH (Bobby Baby Face Byrd & Birds)
1031 Let's Live Together As One (BB)/The Truth Hurts (BB) 4/56
DECCA (Tangiers)
[David Ford, Gaynel Hodge, Alex Hodge, and Jesse Belvin]
29603 Tabarin (DF)/I Won't Be Around (??) 8/55
29973 Remember Me (DF)/Oh Baby (GH) 7/56
ATLANTIC (Crescendos)
[Bobby Byrd, Bobby Relf, Prentice Moreland, and Dub Jones]
1109 Sweet Dreams (BB)/Finders Keepers (BB) 9/56
2014 Sweet Dreams (BB)/I'll Be Seeing You (BB) 1/59
SPARK (Robert Byrd & His Birdies)
501 Bippin' And Boppin' (Over You)/Strawberry Stomp 57
(No group on Bippin And Boppin. Strawberry Stomp is a Gil Bernal instrumental)
(Also on Jamie 1039 12/57)
CLASS (Bobby Day & Satellites)
207 Come Seven (BB)/So Long Baby (BB) 3/57
CLASS (Bob & Earl)
[Bobby Byrd & Earl Nelson; all other Bob & Earl are Bobby Relf and Earl Nelson]
213 That's My Desire/You Made A Boo-Boo 8/57
231 Gee Whiz/When She Walks 6/58
232 Sweet Pea/Chains Of Love 6/58
247 That's My Desire/You Made A Boo-Boo 3/59
(reissued on Malynn 232 later that year)
LEADS:
BB = Bobby Byrd (Bobby Day)
DF = David Ford
EN = Earl Nelson
GH = Gaynel Hodge
RD = Ravon Darnell, backed by the Voices
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