Complaints about "Taylor" (AKA Sanford Wallace)
involving uu.net
PART 1

Dear uu.net : Although these posts appear to come our of 
netfront.net, these may (AS I SUSPECT the of the ones coming out of 
*.ru) may well have a link to databasix.com

I am going to also send you ALL of the posts (also all forgeries) 
that came through (*.ru) These have been traced as far back as 
david.remote.net AND IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF INVOLVEMENT OF 
DATABASIX OR WILHELP.COM -- WHICH YOU ARE ULTIMATELY REPONSIBLE FOR, 
YOU SHOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION AND CANCEL YOUR CONTRACT WITH 
THAT ABUSE DOMAIN.

IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT APPROPRIATE ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN:

Until I had to quit my att.net account YESTERDAY due to abuse from 
others, I was altshift@att.net. 

All of the following posts, out of your service represent true forgeries, 
using MY real name and email address. 

This is a crime, as is malicious defamation -- which is also occurring. 

Please ABSOLUTELY DO cancel this persons account. In addition to abusing 
me he is spamming and abusing a teen support newsgroup.

PLEASE ALSO PROVED ME (AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS PRESENTLY SHOWN) ALL EVIDENCE 
YOU HAVE OF WHO THE ABUSE OUT OF YOUR DOMAIN IS. I WANT TO PURSUE POLICE 
ACTION. 

Please cancel this person's account immediately to avoid police action 
against your company.

Sincerely, Brad Jesness (the real one)

All these posts are forgeries:

From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.teens,sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Re: NOTE: Spam is NOT from BRAD JESNESS
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:01:27 -0600
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sci.psychology.psychotherapy added to the distribution so "John Price's 
people" can see for themselves the intentional and malicious lying and
slander

and stalking and harassment 'Dr.' John Price is doing. 
Look in alt.support.depression.teens and see John M. Price KNOWINGLY 
pretend that the forgeries of Brad over there are real. He damned well 
knows they are all forgeries. He can read headers and he knows Brad 
does not post that way. But he want another police report filed against 
him, I guess for stalking, harassment, libel/slander. That is 
what John M. Price is doing over in a teen depression support group right
now.

He knows how to recognize false headers from an open service, but would 
rather stalk, lie, and harass. He knows Brad has NEVER posted using his
full
name or email. But he is a stalking malicous liar. 
This is the sort of man John Price (sppm 
moderator) is.

Quoting (what a disgusting out of control loser John Price is):

Message-ID: 
<3c545466_1@news3.calweb.com>
From: 
John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
Subject: 
Re: NOTE: Spam is NOT from BRAD JESNESS
Newsgroups: 
alt.support.depression.teens
References: 

<0084a238e3b6596521db0e966955459a@remailer.segfault.net>
Organization: 
his very own rolltop desk!
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jmprice@calweb.com
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In alt.support.depression.teens article
<0084a238e3b6596521db0e966955459a@remailer.segfault.net>
Brad <good_bradj@hotmail.com> wrote:
: All the posts being made under the name "Brad Jesness" are forgeries. 

There is no evidence they are forgeries.

there is no evidence this is from you, brad.

: They are using a real email address (making them true forgeries) BUT 
: they are coming out of Russia. Complaints are encouraged and should 
: be directed to the abuse address, usenet-abuse@mtu.ru , shown in the 
: headers of the post. Brad Jesness and att.net have NOTHING whatsoever 
: to do with the posts. A convicted child molester named, Gary Burnore 
: or one of his associates is suspected as a possible culprit using 
: an open server in russia or some unaccountable service.

brad, you fucked up when you started on your treck to having some 800+
aliases in usenet. 

AKAIK, the posts through Russia are yours. You need to be able to prove
otherwise. 

Your bed was made by you - you stalking creep. Now lay with the worms you
let loose.


-- 
John M. Price, PhD jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or FTP!
Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683






From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.teens,sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Client Lartvocate and Child Molestation
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:01:30 -0600
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Client Lartvocate is Gary L. Burnore, or a close associate.
Gary Burnore is owner of databasix -- major abuse
domain and Gary is a major spammer and forger . He is
also a convicted child molester. You can read
about Gary, at the sites below.

Here is North Carolina's official site (see bottom of that
web page):
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1

Also see http://archives.mfn.org/ for the detailed evidence of one of Gary
L. Burnore's crimes.





From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.teens,sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Re: TROLL ALERT!!!!!Re: Psychologists and pals drive out ...
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Another intentional lie and stalking event by John Price.
sci.psychology.psychotherapy added to the distribution so "John Price's 
people" can see for themselves the intentional and malicious lying and
slander

and stalking and harassment 'Dr.' John Price is doing. 
Look in alt.support.depression.teens and see John M. Price KNOWINGLY 
pretend that the forgeries of Brad over there are real. He damned well 
knows they are all forgeries. He can read headers and he knows Brad 
does not post that way. But he want another police report filed against 
him, I guess for stalking, harassment, libel/slander. That is 
what John M. Price is doing over in a teen depression support group right
now.

He knows how to recognize false headers from an open service, but would 
rather stalk, lie, and harass. He knows Brad has NEVER posted using his
full
name or email. But he is a stalking malicous liar. 
This is the sort of man John Price (sppm 
moderator) is.

Quoting (what a disgusting out of control loser John Price is):

From: 
John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
Subject: 
Re: TROLL ALERT!!!!!Re: Psychologists and pals
drive out all good people like Brad Jesness.
Newsgroups: 
alt.support.depression.teens
References: 
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<a2uu4m$13qsoa$1@ID-103095.news.dfncis.de>
<54o65ug4i188jgidou1rkkrnqacr3qohks@4ax.com>
Organization: 
his very own rolltop desk!
Reply-To: 
jmprice@calweb.com
X-Connection: 
C-Ker-mit 5A(191) 32 bit for OS/2 (usually)
X-Operating-System: 
OS/2 - Warped of course.
X-Clamation: 
Whoa, dogs!
X-Hale: 
only.
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ftp://ftp.calweb.com/users/j/jmprice/pgp-key-john-m-price
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In alt.support.depression.teens article
<54o65ug4i188jgidou1rkkrnqacr3qohks@4ax.com>
Johannes M. Richter <psychosos@gmx.at> wrote:
: Jim Hansen = Brad Jensen = Kali = John M. Price.

: Partly same email address in the from-header (altshift@att.net),
: always exactly same reply-to header ( Reply-To: Brad Jesness
: <altshift@att.net> )
: Always same posting ip address (212.188.75.21 - hehe, i hope there are
: some nice guys in the 2600 group and i hope the ip is not spoofed)

: hey, it's amazing how fast this guy is with posting the messages..
: just some 20 seconds for each message. cool.. i wanna get this typing
: education too..
: j.

he's an obsessed kook.

http://wilhelp.com/bj_faq


-- 
John M. Price, PhD jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or FTP!
Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion. 
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683

Question with boldness even the existence of God;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason,
than that of blindfolded fear.
- Thomas Jefferson: Letter to Peter Carr, 1787






From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.teens,sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Lawsuit taken against John M. Price.
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:01:34 -0600
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John Price -- Today is your one chance to rectify the wrong you have done.
I have okayed suing you with my wife. If you do not take corrective action
today, tomorrow morning I call the same office Leslie contacted and let them
know that they will be hearing from a lawyer and will need the personal
information on you. I will then call the lawyer. ALL TOMORROW MORNING. 

Make your decision now about whether you want to be sued. I am giving you a
chance to avoid this legal action, but will indeed make the calls tomorrow
unless you both cease and desist and correct some intention mis-statement
(false statements you made knowingly and maliciously to do me harm.

Yesterday I wrote:

Dear John Price, this is Brad writing. Unless you rectify things, TOMORROW
I am going to contact a lawyer to sue you. You are being intentionally 
false and malicious and libelous/slanderous in your statements. A couple
things in particular:

You know damned well that I am not posting to that teen support newsgroup.
You can read headers, you just want to lie. YOU are intentionally
misrepresenting things and lying to do me harm. That is illegal.

You know also that you have NO evidence I was kicked out of grad school and 
you have been told this. For the purpose of malice and slander/libel only
you have posted once again this falsehood. That is illegal. 

These are 2 things you must apologize for and correct immediately or we 
will be meeting face to face.

I have money and I am going to spend it suing you, if you do not take action
today to rectify the wrongs you know you have committed. 

Spending some money to get you your well-deserved BOBO, is something you 
will VERY quickly see I am willing to do. This is your one chance to avoid
legal action. I would take it if I were you.



From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.teens,sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Re: I will sue John M. Price and everyone here if you don't leave me ALONE!
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Maybe I will just take your nazi memorabilia. Hiel Hitler, bitch!

On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:53:16 +0100, Johannes M. Richter <psychosos@gmx.at>
wrote:

>hey come on, i am one of "everyone". come on, sue me.
>j.




From: Brad Jesness <altshift@iname.com>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy,alt.support.depression.teens,alt.2600,mn.general
Subject: Facts on Psychotherapy (Detailed Science FAQ) Pt. 2
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Post 2: Ans. to FAQs: "Information and Precautions for Psychotherapy
Consumers"

Part 3 (continued from Post 1)

... From that research, it is not clear whether this is a sign of some sort
of
elitism or significant maladaptation.
In any case, it appears "therapists" simply lack independence. This
combined with only cursory exposure to science and NO science activity
integral to daily practices makes "therapists" a highly suspect group. I
have posted cautions any reasonable consumer should take.
By the way, no one has shown that professional
counselors/"therapists" are necessarily especially good at developing
empathetic relationships, though much of their training is here. THE
REASON: Empathy may be more the product of good development and successful
adaptation than it is a learned thing (i.e. it may not be the product of
school learning). There are some indications that those going into
counseling/clinical work are more maladapted than the average person (I
have cited 2 big indications, above). Thus, the training
(empathy-through-school learning) may not even make up for the deficiencies
of responding many clinical people have because of poor adaptation. Often
the poorly adapted sense the emotions of the other *but react defensively*
and *cannot maintain the perspective of the other (the client)*. This is
why good selection (better procedures than those used today) is likely
essential for getting good counselors.
Therapists can be (and I believe often are) nasty people when they
don't have your utter cooperation (which you pay for). If you're not
confused and uneducated you maybe should not even consider a therapist. AND
IF YOU ARE inexplicably confused consider psychiatry (drugs). Whether it's
physiological or psychogenic (and the line between the two, with time,
certainly could become blurred for more than 1 reason) you can't be too far
gone (confused) for a psychologist. They require everything be optimal for
their "magic" to work. Friends may not be as good AS SOME counselors hour
for hour, but you can afford more than a few hours with a friend. (Research
has shown that, for a rather general subgroup of college
students-who-felt-they-had-problems, being assigned to a listening
professor (in any field) was as good as meeting with a counselor. Thus even
hour-for-hour a friend might be as good. )

There are other more concrete or apparent problems. Therapists so much
expect your cooperation (or to control you) that they will not even take
any amount of time to explain their approach. You do not know what kind of
program they will use typically until after you start. It will therefore
take at least a session (possibly $100) to find out. This is neither fair
nor therapeutic. Why should they expect business only by reputation? No one
else who will earn many hundreds of dollars from you (if you do just what
is usual) will not explain what they are going to do. You wouldn't accept
this from a carpenter (and don't for a minute try to tell me their skills
are not at as high a level). I suspect that the people therapists typically
get as clients are those they can keep no matter what. What therapists
typically do is a totally unsatisfactory business policy and I think it is
unprofessional and unethical too. It was, in good part, in response to this
concrete problem that a major portion of the manifesto was written.

-------------------------

Part 4: Specifically:
How good are Clin. Psychol. at BASIC Diagnoses ?: OFTEN NOT worth a Damn

It is interesting to compare standards of inter-rater agreement used
within the field of clinical psychology ITSELF. On several major diagnoses
(where collected data is available), the inter-rater clinician agreement ON
diagnoses is not as good as a standard sought for agreement on the "coding"
of client responses to INK BLOTS. Let me give you some details, just to put
things in perspective: A professor in Alaska named G. Meyer is doing
research on the inter-rater reliabilities of standard coding of client
responses to **INK BLOTS** (on the Rorschach). Here is what he says about
inter-rater reliabilities: "Typically Kappa values above .60 are considered
good agreement *beyond chance*, while values above .80 are considered
excellent agreement *beyond chance*. " [(The *s were inserted by me.)] NOW,
this is a guy evaluating reliability (across raters) of what client
responses to *INK BLOTS* mean (in standard "coded" terms). Isn't it amazing
that 13 out of the 27 specific ICD-10 diagnoses I list or mention BELOW
(*leaving out ONLY childhood, organic, and substance abuse disorders*,
among the listing of specific disorders provided by the Journal cited) --
or about half of the diagnoses -- DO *NOT* meet the Kappa= .6 standard of
inter-rater agreement ? We cannot diagnose people as well as we can
sometimes agree on what ink blots mean !!! Is this "okay"? I don't think so
!!

Here is the report of data that I refer to above:

Though DSM-IV field trial data have not been put together in collected
form yet, we can see the likely inter-rater reliabilities of diagnoses by
looking at ICD-10. DSM-IV was constructed to be VERY consistent with
ICD-10. Here is some data from the Amer. Jour. of Psychiatry 152:10 (Oct.
1995). These are Kappa (correlation) coefficients of inter-rater
reliability (agreement) of clinicians ON **SPECIFIC** ICD-10 COMMON
DIAGNOSES:


Panic disorder .64
Generalized Anx. Disorder .59
Adjustment disorder .58
Somatization disorder .56
Hypochondriacal disorder .56 (I would rate all this as POOR)

Histrionic disorder .25
Anxious pers. disorder .33
Schizotypal pers. dis. .48
Mixed anxiety and depr. dis. .09 (I would rate all this as "terrible")

Now, below, the ones showing better reliabilities from those same pages
(pp. 1431 - 1423) of the Journal report. Above and below, I am presenting
data ON **ALL** SPECIFIC *ADULT* disorders from that Journal, with a few
exceptions I have noted -- THUS, I am not attempting to bias or
misrepresent things:

neurasthenia (a neurotic
disorder) .79
agoraphobia .80
anorexia .83
bulimia .70
obsessive-compulsive dis. .85 (I would rate these "fair")

In fairness, I should *again* note that along with not including organic
disorders in my listing, I did not list substance abuse disorder figures or
disorders appearing in childhood. Also three particular rarer somatoform
disorders with inter-rater Kappas of .43-.56 and 2 sleep disorders (with
k=.62 and.55) were not listed *in the tables* above, *BUT* I included them
in my summary remarks about the data (above).

----------------------------------------
Here also, for your curiosity is some older data from the DSM-III
(1980) field trials (many of the diagnostic criteria did not change much
since then):

schizophrenic disorders .86 <--- this is still less than the
minimum correlation tolerated for
classification work in ethology
paranoid disorder*S* .66 (note: here, this is *agreement* on
whether the clients had any disorder
in this small class of disorders OR NOT)
Major affective disorder*S* .69 (ditto the note above)

Anxiety disorder*s* (THIS IS agreement on whether patient has *any* of this
*larger* class of common disorders OR NOT):
.69

Concluding Remarks: Clinical psychologists, grow up. Do the ACTUAL
science -practitioner work in your individual agencies WITH other
professionals, that I have previously described ! I told you what must
change AND HOW so ANOTHER 15 years don't go by again with hardly any
progress !!! Be real science-practitioners; stop just pretending,
misleading people and misrepresenting things. You are neither doing the
best you can NOR are you doing "ok".

------------------------

Part 5: A Scary Hypothesis:
"Bolstered False Pretense Leads to Significant, Habitual Abuses of Power":

Does "bolstered false pretense" lead to anti-social behaviors? I
believe so. A prime case of what I mean: My observations (along with some
psychological principles and logical reasoning) have lead me to conclude
that people who are non-scientists, but pretend to be scientists and/or
stand on the pretense of being scientists, end up showing many of the
behaviors of those with anti-social personality. (One might note that they
quite possibly themselves believe or come to believe they are scientists to
a degree way beyond anything that is justified by any normal OR reasonable
science standard). Specifically, I believe they strongly tend to show
moral degradation and inordinate non-critical self-acceptance, like those
with anti-social personality. In many circumstances, they learn slowly (IF
AT ALL) to show more appropriate behavior. Plus, if sensing power or
"in-group" status, they show great pretentiousness and defend it to the
point of using deception (intentionally; a "the ends justify the means"
mentality).

I would add that the characteristics I outline are VERY similar to
some of the criteria for anti-social personality, and some of the
"associated features" of this disorder. The rest is consistent with some of
data found about anti-social personalities in the research literature.

I believe that, like the characteristics in the anti-social
personality, if one exhibits some of the characteristics, one will much
more likely than the average person exhibit other of the characteristics I
have described (under suitable eliciting circumstances). I believe the
environment engendering the "bolstered false pretense" is a developmental
context similar to some yielding the anti-social personality, and this
syndrome (and I do see it as a syndrome) is in many aspects a variant on
the socialized anti-social (though on a different "social status"
"plane")). The syndrome indicated by the set of characteristics described
in my hypothesis is consistent with the disorder construct (that the Amer
.Psychiatric Assoc. is so fond of using). It is also consistent with a
trait or dimensional interpretation if the trait is understood as a complex
one with many facets. The hypothesis is consistent with social psychology
principles. What appear to be instances of phenomenon described by this
hypothesis seems to well explain what has been seen in the newsgroups and
on at least one mailing list.


I strongly suspect numerous cases of clinical power abuses could be
well-explained by my hypothesis. Again, my hypothesis is consistent with
social psychology principles and may also be seen as just a variant of a
general explanation for the development of anti-social behavior (this
special variant being different in ways BUT very similar in ways to the
regular development of anti-social behavior).

Clarification on my definition of science (THEN, BY its absence, what
would be "pretense to science" -- a major socially or societally "bolstered
false pretense" -- will be fairly clear):

My definition of minimally acting "in accord WITH science" is: that
one clearly makes use of a set of procedures (yielding determinations and
clear actions), from diagnoses through treatment through assessment of
results, that *ALL* have shown or proven their inter-rater reliabilities
(start to finish at each step of the process). This is analogous to good
diagnoses and treatment in medicine.
To be a scientist one must WORK WITH OTHERS in an integral
(day-to-day) way so better and better and more and more inter-rater
reliabilities are shown. And, all this should be linked to concrete things
that have been agreed upon as important and such a system of proceeding
should be linked to more and more good consequences (results) and account
for (and allow control of) more and more phenomenon. Then you would be a
science-practitioner, one who PRACTICES science oneself.
The fact that many clinical psychology practitioners falsely and wrongly
imply certainty to their procedures and call what they do "therapy" when it
is actually a less clearly determined (OR AGREED UPON) set of procedures
*AND ACTUALLY SHOULD BE CALLED "COUNSELING"*, shows itself the false
pretense of the field.


Other clarifications:

This particular hypothesis *contains* the description of a syndrome
(similar in many features to anti-social personality). Given this, someone
has asked a very good question: "So, your
hypothesis-cum-syndrome-cum-antisocial-p.d. is now very similar to DSM-IV
Antisocial Personality Disorder - why not go with the real thing? Are you
claiming that you have discovered a NEW personality disorder that is very
similar and for all intents and purposes identical to an existing DSM-IV
personality disorder?" Answer: NO, I am not claiming to have found a new
thing. I view the syndrome as a variant manifestation and possibly a
"subthreshold" manifestation of the antisocial personality itself.
The kind of socially or societally "bolstered false pretense" I
describe, is a set of circumstances that is IN MANY WAYS similar to one
possible route to socialized anti-social personality, thus justifying a
hypothesis of similarity in phenomenology and effect OF these developmental
circumstances ON CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGISTS.





Dear uu.net : 

I am SENDING you ALL of the posts (also all forgeries) 
that came through (*.ru) These have been traced as far back as 
david.remote.net AND IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF INVOLVEMENT OF 
DATABASIX OR WILHELP.COM -- WHICH YOU ARE ULTIMATELY REPONSIBLE FOR, 
YOU SHOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION AND CANCEL YOUR CONTRACT WITH 
THAT ABUSE DOMAIN.

IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT APPROPRIATE ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN:

Until I had to quit my att.net account YESTERDAY due to abuse from 
others, I was altshift@att.net. 

All of the following posts, out of your service represent true forgeries, 
using MY real name and email address. 

This is a crime, as is malicious defamation -- which is also occurring. 

Please ABSOLUTELY DO cancel this persons account. In addition to abusing 
me he is spamming and abusing a teen support newsgroup.

PLEASE ALSO PROVED ME (AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS PRESENTLY SHOWN) ALL EVIDENCE 
YOU HAVE OF WHO THE ABUSE OUT OF YOUR DOMAIN IS. I WANT TO PURSUE POLICE 
ACTION. 

Please cancel this person's account immediately to avoid police action 
against your company.

Sincerely, Brad Jesness (the real one)

All these posts are forgeries:

From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.2600,mn.general,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: "Taylor" Netscum Jimenez likes to have gay sex with Databasix.
Followup-To: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.2600,mn.general,alt.usenet.kooks
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:21:25 -0600
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"Just Taylor" Jimenez, never on record and never accountable, posts
using the services of databasix.com run by his perv pal and
convicted child molester, Gary L. Burnore Here are some highlights
of Burnore's record:

http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1

So that the punk Jimenez of Newport Beach, CA is on record, here
is again the sort of shit he posts:

From:
Just Taylor <taylor@wilhelp.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.hackers.malicious
Subject:
Re: Now here is someone that just screams stupid.
Date:
Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:16:21 -0800
Organization:
DataBasix - The one you love to hate.
Lines:
81
Sender:
null@databasix.com
Message-ID:
<a2k6en$s8m$2@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
References:
<a2irsf$8ue$2@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<smmq4uo14ref5okjo7shplkmv943uh7eq6@ExR.com>
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Jan 2002 17:10:48 GMT)
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:31:03 -0400, ExecutoR <ExecutoR@fuckMicrosoft.com>
wrote:

>Just Taylor <taylor@wilhelp.com> lurking in alt.hackers.malicious on
>or about Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:09:52 -0800, tapped out the following
>message:
>
>>Now here is someone for you guys to have fun with. It appears I have got
>>the attention of one Steven Lee, hacker-for-hire.... It seems that Steven
>>has hacked into the vault of hell-flame-wars.org and will do what RtS or
>>Brad Jesness could never do.... take my money!
>>
>>So I will be thoroughly disappointed to find out that nobody from AUK or AHM
>>takes advantage of the little present I'm leaving you all....
>>
>>>X-Persona: <Lart.Com>
>>>Return-Path: <cgiorder@yahoo.com>
>>>Received: from lin01.mdsarch.co.za (IDENT:root@[196.37.112.60])
>>> by westhost29.westhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0M2KrQ14168
>>> for <abuse@hell-flame-wars.org>; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:20:55 -0600
>>>Received: from 207 (IDENT:root@localhost [127.0.0.1])
>>> by lin01.mdsarch.co.za (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0M2UfV29335
>>> for abuse@hell-flame-wars.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:30:47 +0200
>>>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:30:47 +0200
>>>Message-Id: <200201220230.g0M2UfV29335@lin01.mdsarch.co.za>
>>>To: <abuse@hell-flame-wars.org>
>>>From: <cgiorder@yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: I Hack Into Your Paypal Account!
>>>Status:
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>My name Steven Lee. I am a programmer and the best.
>>>I can hack into any Paypal order form and get
>>>membership for free. If you no believe me see my
>>>site http://myfriend4ever.com/freehit/index.cgi
>>>
>>>I hack into big sites and offer their membership
>>>free! You better watch out because I do the same
>>>to you!
>>>
>>>Better idea you give me $50. to my Paypal account
>>>at steven@abc-search.com and I give you code to stop
>>>hacker like me.
>>>
>>>If you no believe I real see my sites. I am real
>>>programmer and real business man.
>>>
>>>http://myfriend4ever.com/freehit/index.cgi
>>>http://www.eshop.gs/
>>>http://www.abc-search.com
>>>
>>>Give me money now and I no steal from your site
>>>and give you secret programmer code to stop hacker.
>>>
>>>Give me money to my Paypal account at steven@abc-search.com
>>>$50.
>>>
>>>
>>>Steven Lee
>>>Block A, Flat 13, 5th Floor, 7-11 Sha Kok Street
>>>Shatin, Kowloon Hong Kong
>>>Hong Kong
>
>You're afeared of this *hacker* and want someone from AUK or AHM to
>get him off your back, is that it?

No Excreter, I am fulfilling my kook quota contract with AUK and thought AHM
would like to have a little fun. That was a mistake though.... "Steven Lee"
is in a bigger league than you. After all "Steven" didn't try fax'n his
order.

>I am real hacker to take your account if you no give me money too.

From what I hear you have trouble hacking stuck toilet paper out of your
ass.


--
Taylor

AND


From:
Just Taylor <taylor@wilhelp.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.hackers.malicious
Subject:
Re: Now here is someone that just screams stupid.
Date:
Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:16:21 -0800
Organization:
DataBasix - The one you love to hate.
Lines:
81
Sender:
null@databasix.com
Message-ID:
<a2k6en$s8m$2@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
References:
<a2irsf$8ue$2@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<smmq4uo14ref5okjo7shplkmv943uh7eq6@ExR.com>
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Jan 2002 17:10:48 GMT)
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:31:03 -0400, ExecutoR <ExecutoR@fuckMicrosoft.com>
wrote:

>Just Taylor <taylor@wilhelp.com> lurking in alt.hackers.malicious on
>or about Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:09:52 -0800, tapped out the following
>message:
>
>>Now here is someone for you guys to have fun with. It appears I have got
>>the attention of one Steven Lee, hacker-for-hire.... It seems that Steven
>>has hacked into the vault of hell-flame-wars.org and will do what RtS or
>>Brad Jesness could never do.... take my money!
>>
>>So I will be thoroughly disappointed to find out that nobody from AUK or AHM
>>takes advantage of the little present I'm leaving you all....
>>
>>>X-Persona: <Lart.Com>
>>>Return-Path: <cgiorder@yahoo.com>
>>>Received: from lin01.mdsarch.co.za (IDENT:root@[196.37.112.60])
>>> by westhost29.westhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0M2KrQ14168
>>> for <abuse@hell-flame-wars.org>; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:20:55 -0600
>>>Received: from 207 (IDENT:root@localhost [127.0.0.1])
>>> by lin01.mdsarch.co.za (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0M2UfV29335
>>> for abuse@hell-flame-wars.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:30:47 +0200
>>>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:30:47 +0200
>>>Message-Id: <200201220230.g0M2UfV29335@lin01.mdsarch.co.za>
>>>To: <abuse@hell-flame-wars.org>
>>>From: <cgiorder@yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: I Hack Into Your Paypal Account!
>>>Status:
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>My name Steven Lee. I am a programmer and the best.
>>>I can hack into any Paypal order form and get
>>>membership for free. If you no believe me see my
>>>site http://myfriend4ever.com/freehit/index.cgi
>>>
>>>I hack into big sites and offer their membership
>>>free! You better watch out because I do the same
>>>to you!
>>>
>>>Better idea you give me $50. to my Paypal account
>>>at steven@abc-search.com and I give you code to stop
>>>hacker like me.
>>>
>>>If you no believe I real see my sites. I am real
>>>programmer and real business man.
>>>
>>>http://myfriend4ever.com/freehit/index.cgi
>>>http://www.eshop.gs/
>>>http://www.abc-search.com
>>>
>>>Give me money now and I no steal from your site
>>>and give you secret programmer code to stop hacker.
>>>
>>>Give me money to my Paypal account at steven@abc-search.com
>>>$50.
>>>
>>>
>>>Steven Lee
>>>Block A, Flat 13, 5th Floor, 7-11 Sha Kok Street
>>>Shatin, Kowloon Hong Kong
>>>Hong Kong
>
>You're afeared of this *hacker* and want someone from AUK or AHM to
>get him off your back, is that it?

No Excreter, I am fulfilling my kook quota contract with AUK and thought AHM
would like to have a little fun. That was a mistake though.... "Steven Lee"
is in a bigger league than you. After all "Steven" didn't try fax'n his
order.

>I am real hacker to take your account if you no give me money too.

From what I hear you have trouble hacking stuck toilet paper out of your
ass.


--
Taylor







From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.2600,mn.general,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: I will follow Databasix around for the rest of my life!
Followup-To: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.2600,mn.general,alt.usenet.kooks
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:21:45 -0600
Organization: MTU-Intel ISP
Lines: 218
Message-ID: <g9u15ucts6fqfqova3niob3ltjoi0o1eaq@4ax.com>
Reply-To: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.188.75.21
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Trace: gavrilo.mtu.ru 1011939716 526 212.188.75.21 (25 Jan 2002 06:21:56 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@mtu.ru
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:21:56 +0000 (UTC)
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Stan Gustavson <sgustavs@unsdi.edu>

That's just one of them (several more "domains" remain to be
explored). This is one guy pals with PROVEN CONVICTED CHILD
MOLESTER, GARY L. BURNORE (see http://archives.mfn.org/ and
from the state of N. Carolina :

http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
)

From: Stan Gustavson <sgustavs@unsdi.edu>
Subject: Re: vest
Date: 2000/05/09
Message-ID: <8f9bj6$r4l$10@wilhelp.databasix.com>#1/1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
References: <05jwrUKu$GA.236@news-02.uni.net>
<9bhchsog3i8juj4koqlf323pgt7fnu5k64@4ax.com>
<1eaaz4t.11ejrq4woqf0tN%queenie@bungmunch.edu>
<yep-5414DA.17002208052000@allnews.infi.net>
<1eac47r.114rscx1xeqjwqN%queenie@bungmunch.edu>
Organization: University of Northern South Dakota
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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alt.non.sequitur,control,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.stupidity,alt.edgar,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk,alt.mcdonalds.crew


queenie@bungmunch.edu (The Queen of Cans and Jars) finally loses it:

>hoKEy wOLf <yep@nope.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <1eaaz4t.11ejrq4woqf0tN%queenie@bungmunch.edu>,
>> queenie@bungmunch.edu (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>>
>> > Beekeeper <bkpr2000@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, 7 May 2000 23:23:43 -0500, "serpic0" <jim_shoe@zdnetmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >test
>> > >
>> > > vest
>> >
>> > rest
>>
>> slaughterhouse
>
>pennywhistle

aberdeenshire



From: Stan Gustavson <sgustavs@unsdi.edu>
Subject: Re: vest
Date: 2000/05/09
Message-ID: <8f9bi8$r4l$9@wilhelp.databasix.com>#1/1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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<9bhchsog3i8juj4koqlf323pgt7fnu5k64@4ax.com>
<1eaaz4t.11ejrq4woqf0tN%queenie@bungmunch.edu>
<mtsehsgmhbhel90nv2h7mdg2ruscf5q16i@4ax.com>
<1eacs6b.169ye0vt7w91cN%queenie@bungmunch.edu>
Organization: University of Northern South Dakota
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queenie@bungmunch.edu (The Queen of Cans and Jars) finally loses it:

>Beekeeper <bkpr2000@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8 May 2000 07:58:19 -0700, queenie@bungmunch.edu (The Queen of
>> Cans and Jars) wrote:
>>
>> >Beekeeper <bkpr2000@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 7 May 2000 23:23:43 -0500, "serpic0" <jim_shoe@zdnetmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >test
>> >>
>> >> vest
>> >
>> >rest
>>
>> sweater
>
>impatience

goldmine




From: Stan Gustavson <sgustavs@unsdi.edu>
Subject: Re: guest
Date: 2000/05/09
Message-ID: <8f9bc8$r4l$6@wilhelp.databasix.com>#1/1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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<9bhchsog3i8juj4koqlf323pgt7fnu5k64@4ax.com>
<8f6h4o$n79$6@wilhelp.databasix.com>
<1eabond.1b5sfg91uoh3lvN%queenie@bungmunch.edu>
<ootehssn7bfbhhdb9suh2obl2tl8g2ilg0@4ax.com>
<8f8sm9$sl0$2@wilhelp.databasix.com> <8f927a$f82$2@wilhelp.databasix.com>
Organization: University of Northern South Dakota
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-Sysero- <sysero@databasix.com> finally loses it:

>Disco Bob <discobob@lettersack.com> hat gesagt:
>
>>Beekeeper wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 8 May 2000 17:23:09 -0700, queenie@bungmunch.edu (The Queen of Cans and
>>> Jars) wrote:
>>>
>>> >axel <axel@bungmunch.edu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Beekeeper <bkpr2000@fas.harvard.edu> finally loses it:
>>> >>
>>> >> >On Sun, 7 May 2000 23:23:43 -0500, "serpic0" <jim_shoe@zdnetmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>test
>>> >> >
>>> >> >vest
>>> >>
>>> >> guest
>>> >
>>> >breast
>>>
>>> behest
>>
>>attest
>
>ingest

recessed


If you want to get just some idea of the many searches you would have to do
to track down all the pals of convicted child molester
Gary L. Burnore, this would get you some idea on some of the
message ids to search:

<9dolpd$cd$1@ljutefisk.databasix.com>
<9dpq0j$gik$2@snarf.databasix.com>
<9dpu3l$1fr$3@fluffy.databasix.com>
<9dq5bo$hd4$2@wilhelp.databasix.com>
<9dq6qa$ksg$4@flonk.databasix.com>
<9dq8sm$4c7$2@flonk.databasix.com>
<9dqd9d$79m$2@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<9dqebl$79m$3@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<9dqf74$79m$4@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<9dqkvi$2gv$1@dimpledchad.databasix.com>
<9dqo02$jif$1@bwahahahaha.databasix.com>
<9dqo69$jif$2@bwahahahaha.databasix.com>
<9dqpnc$45u$2@bwahahahaha.databasix.com>
<9dqsui$n79$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>
<9dsprn$a7c$1@wilhelp.databasix.com>
<9dsqbk$dbo$1@wilhelp.databasix.com>
<9dt9hb$r39$1@dimpledchad.databasix.com>
<9dtsqr$57g$1@shpxurnq.databasix.com>
<9dtss5$57g$4@shpxurnq.databasix.com>
<9dtssl$57g$5@shpxurnq.databasix.com>
<9dtsus$57g$9@shpxurnq.databasix.com>
<9dtsv9$57g$10@shpxurnq.databasix.com>
<9dtt31$57g$15@shpxurnq.databasix.com>
<9dv57j$nfm$2@wilhelp.databasix.com>
<9dv7kk$nfm$3@wilhelp.databasix.com>
<9dvat0$spb$1@flonk.databasix.com>
<9dvbhj$7gp$1@m3t00.databasix.com>
<9dvbia$d2c$1@m3t00.databasix.com>
<9e1ogq$d0r$2@flonk.databasix.com>
<9e1oh2$d0r$3@flonk.databasix.com>
<9e1ue0$d0r$6@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<9e21an$2k3$1@kneejerk.databasix.com>
<9e21f9$2k3$2@kneejerk.databasix.com>
<9e21ta$2k3$5@kneejerk.databasix.com>
<9e23nd$c28$2@dimpledchad.databasix.com>
<9e27nk$c28$6@bwahahahaha.databasix.com>
<9e2c9m$6vh$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>
<9e2ds7$6io$1@pookiehead.databasix.com>
<9e2fig$bgd$1@pookiehead.databasix.com>
<9e2vrm$6k3$1@herekittykitty.databasix.com>
<9e3811$nut$5@moriarty.databasix.com>
<9e38l6$nut$6@moriarty.databasix.com>
<9e4mss$3t7$1@bwahahahaha.databasix.com>
<9e4tgi$2jk$2@pookiehead.databasix.com>
<9e8gpe$c61$1@snarf.databasix.com>
<9e8gr6$c61$7@snarf.databasix.com>
<9e8h51$hkd$2@snarf.databasix.com>
<9e8h5c$hkd$3@snarf.databasix.com>
<9ehore$s57$4@upa.databasix.com>
<9ehost$ssv$2@upa.databasix.com>
<9ehote$ssv$5@upa.databasix.com>
<9enph9$8os$6@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<9eodj8$c4b$2@ljutefisk.databasix.com>
<9eplk2$n2f$2@fluffy.databasix.com>
<9epo3e$n2f$9@pizzaboy.databasix.com>
<9eqgfj$ngv$3@bwahahahaha.databasix.com>
<9eupvt$e85$1@flonk.databasix.com>
<9euqbs$e85$2@flonk.databasix.com>
<9eur13$q0v$1@flonk.databasix.com>
<9eur6e$q0v$2@flonk.databasix.com>
<9ev0vv$rfl$1@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<9ev9eh$a0b$1@dimpledchad.databasix.com>
<9ev9gq$a0b$2@dimpledchad.databasix.com>
<9ev9lc$a0b$3@dimpledchad.databasix.com>


From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.2600,mn.general,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: Had enough Gary? There is plenty more.
Followup-To: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.2600,mn.general,alt.usenet.kooks
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:21:58 -0600
Organization: MTU-Intel ISP
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Quoting the databasix leader and major Usenet pervert: He is speaking
of his girlfriend's daughter, who reports say he started messing with
when she was just 15

"I've always looked upon Rachael as a daughter. This is a role I took
seriously, making sure I supported her well being at home."
...
"I put my right arm across Rachael's stomach, leaning to my left side. I
kissed her on the neck and then once on the mouth putting my tongue in her
mouth. I kissed her on the neck again and while I was kissing her neck, I
unbuttoned the top button or two of here [sic] night shirt."





From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.2600,mn.general,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: Did you have gay sex to keep Databasix on NTRNet system GArY?
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Gee, GArY back when you worked for ntrnet.net (www.ntrnet.net
aka 206.66.160.19) did
they know you used their server to run your perverted databasix domain? Or,
do you still work for them????

Maybe someone should tell them in case you still work there.

> Gary Burnore and Databasix.com NTRNet System, Inc. (NETBLK-NTRNET)
> 2 Davis Drive
> Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 US
> Netname: NTRNET
> Netblock: 206.66.160.0 - 206.66.160.255
> Maintainer: NTRN
> Coordinator: Williams, Jim (JW1296-ARIN) jaw12@NTRNET.NET
> 919-477-3399

Registrant:
Ntrnet Systems, Inc.
5110 Stardust Drive
2nd Floor
Durham, NC 27712
US

Domain Name: NTRNET.NET

Sponsoring Reseller; for Technical Support
with respect to this domain contact:
Ntrnet Systems, Inc., dbs@ntrnet.net
919-484-0504

Administrative Contact:
Williams, Jim jaw12@ntrnet.net
5110 Stardust Drive
2nd Floor
Durham, NC 27712
US
919-484-0504

Technical Contact:
Tech, Domain domtech@ntrnet.net
2222 NC Hwy 54
Beta Bldg, Suite 340
Durham, NC 27713
US
919-484-0504

Billing Contact:
Williams, Jim jaw12@ntrnet.net
5110 Stardust Drive
2nd Floor
Durham, NC 27712
US
919-484-0504

Here is the log of ntrnet.net server a while back showing it
was used for databasix and to assign rights to known net punks.

root:2xCNG84dN1Bls:0:3:DataBasix Operations:/:
kroot:OwpDWgFnm4x4E:0:3:NetBasix/DataBasix Operations:/:/bin/ksh
daemon:*:1:1:System daemons:/etc:
bin:*:2:2:Owner of system commands:/bin:
sys:*:3:3:Owner of system files:/usr/sys:
adm:*:4:4:System accounting:/usr/adm:
fax:NOLOGIN:5:5:Facsimile Agent:/usr/local/HylaFAX-v4.0/spool:
uucp:*:5:5:UUCP administrator:/usr/lib/uucp:
nuucp:*:6:5:Anonymous UUCP
site:/usr/spool/uucplogins/nuucp:/usr/lib/uucp/uucico
auth:*:7:21:Authentication administrator:/tcb/files/auth:
asg:*LK**:8:8:Assignable devices:/:
cron:*:9:16:Cron daemon:/usr/spool/cron:
sysinfo:*:11:11:System information:/usr/bin:
admin:25b7TmMJmk1lw:12:3:Web Administration:/www:/bin/ksh
news:jliXAGXJDDXA.:13:13:News:/inn:/bin/ksh
announce:mPnzZhA5p4tPU:14:13:News:/local/sysadm/announce:/bin/ksh
dos:*:16:11:DOS device:/:
mmdf:/4z7Bh8t4rT2o:17:11:Mailer:/usr/mmdf:
network:*:18:10:MICNET administrator:/usr/network:
backup:*:19:19:Backup
administrator:/usr/backup:/bin/shftp:99g2CIhytCy0I:20:50:Anonymous FTP
Account:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.161/sco_ftp:/bin/sh
majordom:1hT84Uv1CzwyA:24:24:Majordomo ID:/usr/majordom:/bin/ksh
netscape:H83tZIX/T44k2:25:25:Netscape:/www:/bin/false
nouser:LGTtt0PIqGvt2:28:28:System User:/:/bin/false
listen:*:37:4:Network daemons:/usr/net/nls:
lp:*:71:18:Printer administrator:/usr/spool/lp:
audit:*:79:17:Audit administrator:/tcb/files/audit:
gary:bJeeLH6uwlMcs:199:3:Gary L. Burnore:/local/sysadm/gary:/bin/ksh
informix:NowLDp7Qax01c:200:200:Informix Admin :/informix:/bin/ksh
gburnore:q2S0EdSsbak7M:201:3:Gary L.
Burnore:/local/sysadm/gburnore:/bin/ksh
eridani:tU7TOX3QutF7I:202:3:Belinda:/local/eridani:/bin/ksh
belinda:5sYfO3l.q5MQQ:202:3:Belinda:/local/eridani:/bin/ksh
plcymgmt:dBloFpntE9BeY:203:105:Policy Management
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bulk:hvPEAqtyfuJsQ:205:3:Bulk Mail
Receiver:/local/sysadm/bulk:/bin/ksh
mjdadmin:VKb1bAGiAdDLo:206:3:MajordomoAdmin:/local/sysadm/mjdadmin:/bin/ksh
noc:CiUG/S51RCEec:207:3:Network Operations
Center:/local/sysadm/noc:/bin/ksh
zane:TKaTY06r04v1Q:208:3:Zane:/local/zane:/bin/ksh
zoe:RKHA2iIqRgVHA:209:3:Zoe:/local/zoe:/bin/ksh
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dbiadmin:sx0WWZQHGZah.:211:50:Admin for
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hfwadmin:IvXJGWpaktMpw:212:101:Admin for
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flaagg:NvEb6pLePZV2M:269:50:Flaagg:/local/flaagg:/bin/ksh
draver:iJBdgseOUrGx6:270:50:draver:/local/draver:/bin/bash
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lmarsa:/Uss3dj4YEjE6:272:50:LMarsa:/local/lmarsa:/bin/ksh
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areala:f9oLSghJXufuY:275:50:Tracy Z.:/local/areala:/bin/ksh
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the2belo:qRw75w1jQVtSA:296:50:The 2-Belo:/local/the2belo:/bin/bash
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Dear uu.net : 

I am SENDING you ALL of the posts (also all forgeries) 
that came through (*.ru) These have been traced as far back as 
david.remote.net AND IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF INVOLVEMENT OF 
DATABASIX OR WILHELP.COM -- WHICH YOU ARE ULTIMATELY REPONSIBLE FOR, 
YOU SHOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION AND CANCEL YOUR CONTRACT WITH 
THAT ABUSE DOMAIN.

IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT APPROPRIATE ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN:

Until I had to quit my att.net account YESTERDAY due to abuse from 
others, I was altshift@att.net. 

All of the following posts, out of your service represent true forgeries, 
using MY real name and email address. 

This is a crime, as is malicious defamation -- which is also occurring. 

Please ABSOLUTELY DO cancel this persons account. In addition to abusing 
me he is spamming and abusing a teen support newsgroup.

PLEASE ALSO PROVED ME (AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS PRESENTLY SHOWN) ALL EVIDENCE 
YOU HAVE OF WHO THE ABUSE OUT OF YOUR DOMAIN IS. I WANT TO PURSUE POLICE 
ACTION. 

Please cancel this person's account immediately to avoid police action 
against your company.

Sincerely, Brad Jesness (the real one)

All these posts are forgeries:


From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Morin the Moron - SPP hacker punk.
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Was the patient found dead 4 hours, 24 hours or 6 weeks after a therapy
session with Morin?

What was Morin hiding from the police? Why did you want to have gay sex
with him? Do you like gay sex?

=========================================================================


From: Mark Morin (mdmpsyd@hotmail.com)
Date: 2000-12-01 

We spoke of his disappointment in me for not being able to help his friend
and concluded with what had become a theme in our sessions--the fact that he
loved me. He was able to learn the transferential component of that love
and he was able to teach me that those feelings are not always "simply"
transference.

The next day I received a phone call from the police to tell me that he had
accidently overdosed (heroine) about 4 hours after talking to me.

From: Mark Morin (mmorin@DELETETHISidt.net)
Date: 1998/08/07 

I remember quite fondly my first gay client with whom this happened. He had
called me sorta in crisis--a friend of his was acting real weird and he
wanted me to intervene. For a number of reasons I couldn't and I processed
this with him. I asked if he was angry at me for saying no. In a hushed
voice so that his friend wouldn't here he said, "no, just the reverse--i
love you."

24 hours later I received a call from the police informing me that my client
had accidentaly overdosed.

Homoerotic transference can be very powerful, whether or not the parties are
gay.
...
The reason for the call from the police was to rule out suicide vs homicide
vs accidental overdose. It wasn't a fun experience particularly since they
introduced themselves as the police and asked if I knew X. I was being
evasive as hell and the more evasive I got, the more pushy they got. After
about 20 minutes of going back and forth and them telling me nothing, I
asked outright what was going on. They told
me and added that they had found my number on him and believed it to be
either his dealer or this therapist but didn't know which.

From: Mark Morin (mdmpsyd@hotmail.com)
Date: 2001-01-23 
I was working with a young man. Anxiety disorder, hearing voices, long
history of hospitalizations. In our work the issue of sexual orientation
came up.
He was confused in that he liked having sex with women but lately has been
in a relationship with a guy. After a while, all the while accepting who he
was (and informing him that there was something called "bisexual") the
voices went away.

When we were doing the preparatory work for termination he told me that he
loved me. I did all the things the text books talked about--analyzed the
transference, etc. He "bought" it. He even believed part of it. Then he
tells me, "despite
all that 'stuff,' it's still YOU who I love. Who you've been to me, that
you've accepted me for who I am not for who I am 'supposed' to be, yes it is
YOU not my father or other authority figure who I love."

The word "love" is loaded. Threats of impropriety and (legitimate) concerns
with boundaries, etc., I think sometimes keep us from acknowledging that
part of what we feel for out clients/patients is love. Looking back, I
suspect that it was love that created the space where he could heal.

Six weeks after we terminated he got a hold of some bad heroine (as if
there's any good stuff), went into respiratory arrest, and died

==========================================================================







From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Lingering questions for Morin and his gay sex fetish.
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Why did Morin keep changing in his story the time of when his patient was
found dead after having gay sex with him?

Did the patient take lethal drug dose just hours after Morin's "love
exchange" with him?

What was Morin hiding from the police, by being more and more evasive?

Will Morin go to Heaven or rot in Hell, having received an absolution from
a supervisor? 

=========================================================================

From: Mark Morin (mdmpsyd@hotmail.com)
Date: 2000-12-01

We spoke of his disappointment in me for not being able to help his friend
and concluded with what had become a theme in our sessions--the fact that he
loved me. He was able to learn the transferential component of that love
and he was able to teach me that those feelings are not always "simply"
transference.

The next day I received a phone call from the police to tell me that he had
accidently overdosed (heroine) about 4 hours after talking to me.

<Surprise!>
...
In my case, he had been clean for quite some time. Who knows why he picked
up again that particular night.

<Who knows?....... Perhaps, Morin does!>

I bring this up because I found that event very hard to let go of. It crept
into my personal life and had a significant impact on my ability to stay in
the present.

< Morin loves to shed crocodile tears, feeling sorry for himself.>

Thankfully, I had some good supervisors and friends who happened to be
collegues to help me process and prepare for that contingency.

<Nice arrangement with supervisors! They give Morin an absolution, and next
time they mess up a patient Morin will purge them of their guilt.>

It has come and gone; it could have gone better and it sure as hell could
have gone worse.

<For Morin without a doubt it went pretty well, but for the patient?>

From: Mark Morin (mmorin@DELETETHISidt.net)
Date: 1998/08/07

I bring this up because I found that event very hard to let go of. It crept
into my personal life and had a significant impact on my ability to stay in
the present. I remember quite fondly my first gay client with whom this
happened. He had called me sorta in crisis--a friend of his was acting real
weird and he wanted me to intervene. For a number of reasons I couldn't and
I processed this with him. I asked if he was angry at me for saying no. In
a hushed voice so that his friend wouldn't here he said, "no, just the
reverse--i love you."

24 hours later I received a call from the police informing me that my client
had accidentaly overdosed.

Homoerotic transference can be very powerful, whether or not the parties are
gay.

<Ask John Geoghan about this.>

The reason for the call from the police was to rule out suicide vs homicide
vs accidental overdose. It wasn't a fun experience particularly since they
introduced themselves as the police and asked if I knew X. I was being
evasive as hell and the more evasive I got, the more pushy they got. After
about 20 minutes of going back and forth and them telling me nothing, I
asked outright what was going on. They told me and added that they had
found my number on him and believed it to be either his dealer or this
therapist but didn't know which.

<Sounds, like Morin was covering up his tracks. Was he trying to obstruct
justice to save his skin, by any chance?>

From: Mark Morin (mdmpsyd@hotmail.com)
Date: 2001-01-23

I was working with a young man. Anxiety disorder, hearing voices, long
history of hospitalizations. In our work the issue of sexual orientation
came up.

He was confused in that he liked having sex with women but lately has been
in a relationship with a guy. After a while, all the while accepting who he
was (and informing him that there was something called "bisexual") the
voices went away.

<Was Morin setting a stage for homoerotic transference, he so desired?>

When we were doing the preparatory work for termination he told me that he
loved me. I did all the things the text books talked about--analyzed the
transference, etc. He "bought" it. He even believed part of it. Then he
tells me, "despite all that 'stuff,' it's still YOU who I love. Who you've
been to me, that you've accepted me for who I am not for who I am 'supposed'
to be, yes it is YOU not my father or other authority figure who I love."

Six weeks after we terminated he got a hold of some bad heroine (as if
there's any good stuff), went into respiratory arrest, and died

<So was it six weeks or 4 hours after Morin terminated? Interesting change
of facts...>

=========================================================================




From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Leaders here still rely on punk psychos to abuse for them.
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:25:59 -0600
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Psychology people in this supposedly profession-related newsgroup
still rely on abuse domains and on a convicted child molester,
Gary Burnore, to do their dirty work for them. Virtually all the
anonymous punks who are posting inappropriately to this newsgroup
are either Gary B. himself or long-time abusive Internet and Usenet
people who are pals of his -- such as Taylor Jimenez, who "helped"
psychologists here out for years.

Just for example, in addition to the fact that Gary never denied owning
the server wilhelp runs on but IN FACT indicated HE DID own that server
the following is supporting evidence that indeed Gary Burnore
(owner of databasix) is ultimately also in charge of
wilhelp.com This domain is still being advertised positively
by Kim/Kym Barnard sppm moderator (aka Kali@lart.com and other aliases).



Articles from databasix:

<9dsprn$a7c$1@wilhelp.databasix.com>
<9dsqbk$dbo$1@wilhelp.databasix.com>
<9dq5bo$hd4$2@wilhelp.databasix.com>
<9dv57j$nfm$2@wilhelp.databasix.com>
<9dv7kk$nfm$3@wilhelp.databasix.com>
<9dv57j$nfm$2@wilhelp.databasix.com>
<9dv7kk$nfm$3@wilhelp.databasix.com>


<9dolpd$cd$1@ljutefisk.databasix.com>
<9dpq0j$gik$2@snarf.databasix.com>
<9dpu3l$1fr$3@fluffy.databasix.com>

<9dq6qa$ksg$4@flonk.databasix.com>
<9dq8sm$4c7$2@flonk.databasix.com>
<9dqd9d$79m$2@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<9dqebl$79m$3@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<9dqf74$79m$4@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<9dqkvi$2gv$1@dimpledchad.databasix.com>
<9dqo02$jif$1@bwahahahaha.databasix.com>
<9dqo69$jif$2@bwahahahaha.databasix.com>
<9dqpnc$45u$2@bwahahahaha.databasix.com>
<9dqsui$n79$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>

<9dt9hb$r39$1@dimpledchad.databasix.com>
<9dtsqr$57g$1@shpxurnq.databasix.com>
<9dtss5$57g$4@shpxurnq.databasix.com>
<9dtssl$57g$5@shpxurnq.databasix.com>
<9dtsus$57g$9@shpxurnq.databasix.com>
<9dtsv9$57g$10@shpxurnq.databasix.com>
<9dtt31$57g$15@shpxurnq.databasix.com>
<9dvat0$spb$1@flonk.databasix.com>
<9dvbhj$7gp$1@m3t00.databasix.com>
<9dvbia$d2c$1@m3t00.databasix.com>
<9e1ogq$d0r$2@flonk.databasix.com>
<9e1oh2$d0r$3@flonk.databasix.com>
<9e1ue0$d0r$6@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<9e21an$2k3$1@kneejerk.databasix.com>
<9e21f9$2k3$2@kneejerk.databasix.com>
<9e21ta$2k3$5@kneejerk.databasix.com>
<9e23nd$c28$2@dimpledchad.databasix.com>
<9e27nk$c28$6@bwahahahaha.databasix.com>
<9e2c9m$6vh$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>
<9e2ds7$6io$1@pookiehead.databasix.com>
<9e2fig$bgd$1@pookiehead.databasix.com>
<9e2vrm$6k3$1@herekittykitty.databasix.com>
<9e3811$nut$5@moriarty.databasix.com>
<9e38l6$nut$6@moriarty.databasix.com>
<9e4mss$3t7$1@bwahahahaha.databasix.com>
<9e4tgi$2jk$2@pookiehead.databasix.com>
<9e8gpe$c61$1@snarf.databasix.com>
<9e8gr6$c61$7@snarf.databasix.com>
<9e8h51$hkd$2@snarf.databasix.com>
<9e8h5c$hkd$3@snarf.databasix.com>
<9ehore$s57$4@upa.databasix.com>
<9ehost$ssv$2@upa.databasix.com>
<9ehote$ssv$5@upa.databasix.com>
<9enph9$8os$6@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<9eodj8$c4b$2@ljutefisk.databasix.com>
<9eplk2$n2f$2@fluffy.databasix.com>
<9epo3e$n2f$9@pizzaboy.databasix.com>
<9eqgfj$ngv$3@bwahahahaha.databasix.com>
<9eupvt$e85$1@flonk.databasix.com>
<9euqbs$e85$2@flonk.databasix.com>
<9eur13$q0v$1@flonk.databasix.com>
<9eur6e$q0v$2@flonk.databasix.com>
<9ev0vv$rfl$1@astroconsulting.databasix.com>
<9ev9eh$a0b$1@dimpledchad.databasix.com>
<9ev9gq$a0b$2@dimpledchad.databasix.com>
<9ev9lc$a0b$3@dimpledchad.databasix.com>

In spite of the fact that databasix is many domains in one, it
still is routinely listed as on of the biggest abuse and spam
domains on all of Usenet.

More evidence now of a connection with just one "subdomain"

Here are the responses received from the people supposedly in
charge of the domain www.wilhelp.com -- obviously a databasix
domain owned by the convicted child molester, Gary Burnore.

I received copies of these emails from another person and
that person's name has been deleted to protect the innocent
person


Return-Path: <plcymgmt@databasix.com>

X-Sender: plcymgmt@popd.netbasix.net


To: <name of innocent person complaining deleted>

From: DataBasix Policy Management <plcymgmt@netbasix.net>

Subject: Re: Libelous page on your domain

Cc: security@uu.net, whadmin@wilhelp.com



you wrote:

>Dear wilhelp.com

>

>I am asking you to take the libelous web page <snip>

>down.



Please provide information as to what you claim is libelous and information

about the court ruling that states that it is.





<snip>



AND:





Return-Path: <plcymgmt@databasix.com>

X-Sender: plcymgmt@popd.netbasix.net


To: <name of innocent person complaining deleted>

From: DataBasix Policy Management <plcymgmt@netbasix.net>

Subject: Re: Libelous page on your domain <snip>

Cc: whadmin@wilhelp.com



<snip>



Regards,

NetBasix Policy Management


<snip>



The fact that leading psychology people continue to encourage and
glorify these sorts of abusive people speaks for the field itself.

It is corrupt and not to be trusted.

-- I am NOT Brad





From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Forgers are psychologists' pals.
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:36:21 -0600
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Brad and the critics of therapy here never used other people
email addresses. They never forged for real like what you
see in the newsgroup now. These posts are in fact out of control
friends of the psychology leaders of this newsgroup. I suspect
Gary Burnore (who has a reputation of being a real forger)
is angry because he is being spanked hard. He helped the
psychologists in this newsgroup out quite a bit and now they will
not defend him. They have in fact never said a kind word about
him since they found out he is a convicted child molester.

Unfortunately other hoodlums directly connected to psychologists
and psychology students
here have been shown to have long-term connections with Gary B.




From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Psychologists: Your Pal Burnore is Hurting. (clearly)
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:54:28 -0600
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I really think it is sick what psychologists and psychology students
in this newsgroup have done over the years. First, they talked people
out of anonymity with arguments like "show some pride" AND then
proceeded to stalk and harass these very people. Recently a good
person and on-topic poster named PatientofDoctorNightmare was driven
off this newsgroup by harassment (this involved revealing an identity
and then personally stalking and harassing this person). There have
been several other people they did this too (not only Brad) -- examples
include Erebus and others).

Now, Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach CA after learning of an email
address of one of these victims of the psychologists has proceeded
to get his pals to forge. Taylor Jimenez not only knowingly uses
the services of a convicted child molester but he does so for the
psychologists in this newsgroup. Moreover he has served psychologists
in this newsgroup for years, hosting FOR YEARS a web site written
by Paul Bernhardt (sppm ombudsman) and by Peter Hood, masters degree in
forensic psychology from Leicester Univ., U.K.

Psychologists in this newsgroup have a SIX year history of inappropriate
behavior and abuse. There is no excuse for it ever and there certainly
was no excuse for it when it began. Here is what the evidence shows:

Psychologists simply have done everything possible to drive people with
certain views of this newsgroup. While they themselves do not forge,
people they solicited to help them DO. Gary Burnore now is the prime
forging suspect, NOW even mad at his psychologist pals because they will
not say a kind word about him. He has a reputation for forgeries. A
sys admin has told us this and I believe him.

Gary Burnore is a pathetic loser and a child molester yet a major
support of psychologists here. Why has they foresaken him now??

Hmmmm, I wonder. Unfortunately there is no denying a direct relationship
between psychologists and psychology students and Taylor Jimenez and no
denying a direct connection between Taylor Jimenez and the convicted
child molester, Gary L. Burnore.


Earlier someone correctly said:

> Brad and the critics of therapy here never used other people
> email addresses. They never forged for real like what you
> see in the newsgroup now. These posts are in fact out of control
> friends of the psychology leaders of this newsgroup. I suspect
> Gary Burnore (who has a reputation of being a real forger)
> is angry because he is being spanked hard. He helped the
> psychologists in this newsgroup out quite a bit and now they will
> not defend him. They have in fact never said a kind word about
> him since they found out he is a convicted child molester.
>
> Unfortunately other hoodlums directly connected to psychologists
> and psychology students
> here have been shown to have long-term connections with Gary B.





From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk
Subject: Taylor Netscum, Gary B.'s PAL, is Proud of New Car!
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:04:11 -0600
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Taylor's new favorite newsgroup is alt.autos.audi since he has
himself a new Audi. He is trying to pretend he is a respectable
person over there (but don't expect to see his posts in google,
since he is always "not on the record" and posting x-no-archive).

Truth is, this perv pal (good friend for years of the convicted
child molester, Gary L. Burnore) finally thinks he's got a source
of pride and a look of respectability.

Please join with me in showing this long-time Usenet punk and
Internet abuser that he indeed has NO RESPECTABILITY!!!!





From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: I think "Just Taylor" Is the FORGER.
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:10:31 -0800
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The record shows that forgeries, where people actually posted
using both other peoples' names AND other peoples' email addresses,
began the very same day Taylor (Netscum) Jimenez learned an email address
of Brad's. It really is not fair therefore to blame Taylor's
pal, Gary Burnore, even though he is a convicted child molester.

I think there is plenty of evidence that Taylor Jimenez is a
forger. So, psychologist would have a direct connection
(once again) to a person who commits illegal acts. And, Taylor
Jimenez of Newport Beach, CA should go to jail, in my opinion.

Admittedly it is hard to tell Jimenez and other perv pals of Gary
L. Burnore's from Gary himself. They are all similar and use the
abuse domain, databasix.com for ALL their crap. They are universally
seen as losers. Too bad the connection between them and psychologists
here goes back about 3 or 4 years!! Plus:

Psychologists and psychology leaders in this newsgroup
continue to expressly support domains owed by Gary L. Burnore and
they continue to support the abuse. In essense, the psychologists
here support forgery, stalking and harassment. Such are the leading
psychologists on Usenet and they are representative of psychologists
in general. They are irrational, unstable, immoral, and worthless
parasites. Many people would agree with me, if psychologists had not
already harassed them off of Usenet.





From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Steve W. AKA thePsyko punk who hangs out with net abusers.
Followup-To: mn.general,sci.psychology.psychotherapy,alt.2600,alt.support.depression.teens
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:58:34 -0600
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Well, thePsyko, you have not done your research. You want to pretend
that the personal and libelous FAQ against Brad has no connection to
the psychologists here. BUT, if you do your research, you will see
that the FAQ (in many regards the same) was first posted _to Usenet_
by one Paul Bernhardt (actually it was first posted by an anon coward,
but identified later as connected to sppm ombudsman Paul Bernhardt
-- he was forced to confess).
It was also hosted on Peter Hood's very own web site UNTIL he went
back to grad. school. THEN soon after that, it reappeared on the
abuse domain (lart.com -- now out of business). Yep, just like
Peter Hood (masters from Leicester Univ., England) mailed his "cd
of evidence" to several hoodums, he also turned over the web page to
the know 'Net abuser, Taylor Jimenez (aka Taylor Netscum, and various
other aliases). Taylor hosted it on his lart.com abuse domain, until
he got the boot from the real server owners who would not have his
crap on their servers. Now Taylor Jimenez, the cheapest and stupidest
punk on Usenet, is now hosting Paul and Peter's FAQ on a subdomain of
_databasix.com_ -- another know abuse domain associated with at least
one child molester.

Taylor Jimenez, of Newport Beach CA simply gets his power on the
Internet by spending $25 a month here or there to run abuse domains.
Takes no brains, no sense, and no ethics. Just take money. Taylor
"helps out" in unique ways by buying abuse domain space to help whoever
he wants to. That power turns the sick bastard, Taylor,(now associated
with an abuse domain used by a child molestor) on. "Gee I can do this
big thing, like put up a web page and everyone will bow to me and
think I am cool." This is Jimenez's "thinking," if you can call it
that. "I don't participate in the newsgroup and don't know what is
going on, but I will determine who is an asshole from what I hear and
determine who will have free speech and who won't" (more Jimenez
"thinking") -- such is the great power of a dummy with a little spare
cash who knows how to FTP. Well, I for one, will mention Jimenez
every time "his page" is mentioned. It goes in the archive and in
the existing record on "Taylor" Jimenez -- dummy punk. Taylor
Jimenez is a coward who does nothing for himself and helps out others
when he thinks it will make him look cool. Well, he an the
psychologists simply look like the anon unethical cowards that they are.





From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: sppFAQ is the only true FAQ.
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Unlike the in large part false and libelous FAQ against Brad,
hosted on a pervert abuse domain, by "nobody and maintained by nobody"*,
the sppFAQ was written by Brad (yep, he proudly told me so). If it is
false or libelous in any
way, the psychologists could sue him. But, all the involved
psychologists are guilty as sin and are also guilty of libel/slander,
stalking and harassment, or such as that.

*Footnote:
The "nobody" is Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach CA, but in fact
he is too stupid to make his own web page, so turned to another
nobody (Peter Hood, master's forensic psyc, Leicester U. to
make the web page in the first place and whatever other nobodies
were involved in "updating" it). Who knows who taught "Taylor"
Jimenez to use a FAQ sender. That 3 sec. operation might involve
one more step than Taylor can do. The perv-pal can do about one button
press and that is all. Spending a little money here and there is
all fat ass Jimenez can muster -- what most people can do at three
years old.