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There is now good evidence that "Taylor Jimenez" is Joe Jared of Orange, CA. NOTE: "Taylor" did post
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Dear usenet-abuse@mtu.ru
Re: Stop your forging customer (4th set of complaints)
Listen, you have a customer forging me. I did not make any of the posts
below, they are all forgeries out of your server. Get it stopped..
5th set on the way after this one
From:
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Subject:
Nazi control this group. Taleban rule is not OK!
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If "Patient ..." had been anon, she would definitely have been 'Brad'.
I think it is interesting to point out just how crazy the psychologists
in this newsgroup are. There has not been a single case of an
anonymous poster (i.e. where the local hosting IP or Internet Service
Provider could not be indentified) AND one who has posted negatively
about psychotherapy, that has not been said to be 'Brad'. Not one.
The psychologists here literally have collected every post by anon
posters that said anything bad about the field and weaved them into
a tall tail. They collected all posts that looked bad and that could
be misrepresented or put in a bad light and made like they all came
from one guy name 'Brad.' There is literally not a single case of
an anonymous poster who has said anything negative about psychotherapy
that has not been put on the list of hundreds of screen names the
psychologists here say are all Brad. To them "Bad" (their definition) =
'Brad'.
Not a single one in half a decade.
Not how far off are they? Well, a couple of years back Brad posted
and indicated which of the screen names (including several anon screen
names) were him. RESULT: NOT EVEN 1/4 OF THE ANON POSTER CAN BE
CONSIDERED TO BE 'BRAD' ON THE BASIS OF ANY REASONABLE EVIDENCE.
And recall that not a single anon poster who has posted against
psychotherapy has failed to be labeled as 'Brad'.
Now they gathered all the anon posts up and put together the most
outrageous accusations (many with no foundation) against one supposed guy
name 'Brad'. This is the bill-of-goods the psychologists here are
trying to sell (along with their bogus 'therapy'). There is only
one guy (and Erebus and Patient) who has ever been against them.
Otherwise all reasonable people see it their way, in their minds.
Here's their story (and they are definitely sticking to it):
In 6.5 years ONLY one anon poster has opposed psychotherapy. Moreover
this one guy (it follows) has done all the bad things -- though
surprisingly they have to misrepresent those things to make them
seem really bad or bad enough.
In addition to there being NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT OVER 3/4 of the
posts attributed to 'Brad' are 'Brad', there is still stuff in the
FAQ against Brad for which they literally have NO EVIDENCE against
anyone. There are claims they make that they have no evidence
ANYONE did. They just make charges and claims with no supporting
evidence. This is in addition to gross exaggerations and intentional
misrepresentations and lies.
Is it any wonder that the FAQ against 'Brad' is posted
by a known 'Net hoodlum who for years went by the name Taylor
Netscum* and hosted the FAQ page for alt.usenet.kooks and other
abusive web pages? Though the early versions of the 'Brad' FAQ were
written by the good pals of the psychologists --
Paul B. (sppm ombudsman) and Peter Hood -- AND though early version were
hosted on Peter Hood's own web site, the web page is now to much
unsubstantiated charges. libel/slander/defamation and just-plain-fiction
to be hosted by anyone who has any connections to the psychology field
or any other supposedly honest profession. The psychologists here do
not lack ability to put up a web page. They have web space.
A Footnote: Paraphrasing what has recently been said about Taylor
Jimenez (aka Taylor Netscum, and various other aliases).
Taylor has hosted several abusive and libelous/slanderous/defamatory
web pages on his lart.com abuse domain. Taylor Jimenez, the cheapest and
stupidest
punk on Usenet, was recently hosting the libelous web page on a subdomain of
_databasix.com_ -- another know abuse domain which it seems is
associated with at least one child molester. Now quoting a recent poster:
"Taylor Jimenez, of Newport Beach, CA simply gets his power on the
Internet by spending $25 a month here or there to run abuse domains.
Takes no brains, no sense, and no ethics. Just take money. Taylor
"helps out" in unique ways by buying abuse domain space to help whoever
he wants to. That power turns the sick bastard, Taylor, (now associated
with an abuse domain used by a child molestor) on. "Gee I can do this
big thing, like put up a web page and everyone will bow to me and
think I am cool." This is Jimenez's "thinking," if you can call it
that. "I don't participate in the newsgroup and don't know what is
going on, but I will determine who is an asshole from what I hear and
determine who will have free speech and who won't" (more Jimenez
"thinking") -- such is the great power of a dummy with a little spare
cash who knows how to FTP. Well, I for one, will mention Jimenez
every time "his page" is mentioned. It goes in the archive and in
the existing record on "Taylor" Jimenez -- dummy punk. Taylor
Jimenez is a coward who does nothing for himself and helps out others
when he thinks it will make him look cool.
Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach CA, but in fact
he is too stupid to make his own web page, so turned to another
nobody . Who knows who taught "Taylor"
Jimenez to use a FAQ sender. That 3 sec. operation might involve
one more step than Taylor can do. The perv-pal can do about one button
press and that is all. Spending a little money here and there is
all fat ass Jimenez can muster -- what most people can do at three
years old."
From:
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Subject:
How about I forge Dr. Packer's e-mail in ny.general? Will that make you happy GArY?
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All you guys abusing in and forging and spamming to mn.general:
How about I send the quote of the erebus post to ny.general?
Would you like that? Perhaps if Dr. Packer's pals are going
to stalk and harass and forge for her in mn local newsgroups,
perhaps they should get a post called: "Leslie Packer: Bad
local psychologist" with just the erebus post as the message
body. Don't tempt me.
There are likely some nice ones for the other psychologists I
could find as well to inform the poor people that might be misguided
enough to come to them for help.
At least it would be real evidence with no illegal forgery involved
like we minnesotans are seeing in mn.general for about 5 days now.
Don't tempt me.
From:
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Psychologist/Child Molester/Hacker Punks in alt.2600 Connection
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Path: The psychologists here know that their pals use the services of a
convicted child molester named Gary L. Burnore. He was convicted of
inappropriate behavior with HIS GIRLFRIEND'S DAUGHTER. REPORTS HAVE
INDICATED THAT THOUGH THE DAUGHTER WAS 17 WHEN GARY WAS CONVICTED, THE
INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR BEGAN WHEN THE LITTLE GIRE WAS 15.
Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez, the owner of the lart.com domain now only has
access to a subdomain owed and controlled by a convicted child molester,
Gary L. Burnore. Plus, the well-beloved-by-pals-of psychologists domain
databasix is owned by this convicted pervert. Much of the Usenet services
and other Internet services that the psychologists in this newsgroup admire
so much are "courtesy" of a stalking malicious forger and child molester
named Gary L. Burnore. Many people praised and well-loved by the
psychologists here are associated with this convicted child molester.
Psychologists have used the services of Taylor Netscum Jimenez, a close
associate of this child molester for years. You all met Taylor during a one
year malicious posting campaign on alt.usenet.kooks -- a newsgroup
controlled for a whole year by psychologists and sppm moderators who wanted
complete control of the psychology newsgroup to sanatize and censor all of
them. Just the facts. OF COURSE, psychologists, YOU HAVE KNOWN YOU AND
YOUR FRIENDS HAVE BEEN CONNECTED WITH THE SERVICES OF A CONVICTED CHILD
MOLESTER FOR WELL OVER A YEAR NOW, HAVEN'T YOU ??
Quoting an earlier post from another:
Proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child molestor:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
(end quote)
Also see http://archives.mfn.org/ for the detailed evidence of one of Gary
L. Burnore's crimes. Without Burnore's services over the years the
psychologist here and their pals could not have conducted the harassment the
do regularly and "anonymously". Databasix, the perv domain, is the
unaccountable abuse domain they use.
From:
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Subject:
Psychologist/Child Molester/Hacker Punks in alt.2600 don't belong here!
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Based on the sppFAQ that has been posted here several times and that is
easy to find in google.com: No one has ever presented any evidence that I
was ever in trouble with the A.P.A. In fact, I did fine when a certain sick
psychologist filed an ethics complaint with the A.P.A. against me. I
continued to be an associate member in good standing!! I did finally resign
from the A.P.A., apparently disgusted with them. They repeated begged me to
rejoin. (Ironically, the sick psychologist who filed charges against me
HERSELF had a complaint filed against her with the A.P.A. Too bad that this
unethical psychologist QUIT the A.P.A. before the charges against her could
be reviewed -- I did not do this cowardly thing. My behavior was reviewed
and seen to be ethical.)
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
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Subject:
History of what is right and wrong in this group.
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Story of the spp newsgroup (in brief)(7 years summarized):
After a year and a half of debating with certain person, a debate this
person won because the field had no good citations and offerred up only ones
that were bogus (for example, one supposed study to make their point was
written only in a journal in Chinese and only available at a university
in the California (or was it Oregon)!!) -- the old deja record, now
supposedly part of google, would make for some very fun reading here (use
search terms: Grohol, Chinese ...))
[Then A NEW LEADER APPEARS FOR THE 'THERAPISTS' (a psychologist who is out
of courtesy referred to by her own self-adopted "handle", Peter Hood #2]
Then, the evil "therapists" turned to: about a year and a half of making
baseless accusations over and over and over again and again in this
newsgroup and began some of their anonymous and FAQ campaigns. The first
anon posts which occurred in this newsgroup were pro-therapy and FREQUENT.
A special device to encourage and enable anon email abuse and the filing of
anon bogus complaints was set up by the psychologist who founded this
newsgroup. This did not work.
Then, the evil "therapists" turned to: spending much or most of their time
befriending the hoodlum leaders of alt.usenet.kooks and voting for people as
kooks and voting people as "not human". Peter Hood #1 made his threats of
illegal activity during this period and behaved shamelessly, since he was
not yet in psychology graduate school yet. (His behavior, out of necessity,
is now better -- unless he is one of the anon hoodlums) That did not work.
Then the evil "therapists" began enlisting the help of whoever, Usenet's
most notorious and nasty hoodlums (such as those from
alt.hackers.malicious). They have supported and aided and abetted these
terrorists for over a year now. Yes, indeed, they expressly turned to
hoodlums with a history of inappropriate behavior. THIS WILL NOT WORK.
IT IS DOUBTFUL PSYCHOLOGISTS WILL FIGURE OUT WHAT DOES WORK EVEN THOUGH
THE ANSWERS TO THE FIELD'S PROBLEMS APPEARS HERE REGULARLY. Some of the
best psychologists in the field agree with the science FAQ posted here
monthly. The psychologists defend against testing themselves as they would
have to in order to establish a science BY AGGRESSING (they have done over 5
years now).
From:
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Peter Hood, I do not admire you at all.
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Virtually all the psychologists in this newsgroup have Peter Hood #s
which they assigned to themselves FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF THE SECOND
PSYCHOLOGIST LEADER OF THIS NEWSGROUP (SHE SO ASHAMED OF HER BEHAVIOR
SHE IS NO DOUBT GLAD TO BE REFERRED TO BY HER SELF-APPOINTED TITLE
"PETER HOOD #2" -- a title she gave herself after Peter Hood
threatened physical assault multiple times). This newsgroup leader
obvious worked in close cooperation with Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez,
who in turn worked in close cooperation with Gary L. Burnore.
The abuse domain run by a convicted child molester is still supported
by leading psychology people in this newsgroup. So are people who
have never contributed any content whatsoever to any decent newsgroup
(Taylor Jimenez has NO record of decent posts, nor do Crawdad,
ICEMAN, and several other often-named friends of the psychologists
in this newsgroup.) In fact, after courting hoodlums with hundreds
of posts to hacker newsgroups, Peter Hood #2 was the very first to
wish one of these disgusting hoodlums a "Happy Birthday". Yep, a
actual licensed psychologist (Peter Hood #2) was the first to wish
one of this newsgroups disruptive hoodlums an "HappY Birthday". This
came after he had made many illegal threats as well.
Kim Barnard just continues in the same tradition. Make nasty friends
and get them to attack on-topic appropriate posters you do not like.
Then advertise your friendship to this group of abject hoodlums.
Peter Hood (masters degree in forensic psychology from Leicester U.
in the U.K.) also supports the long standing tradition of encouraging
contentless hoodlums who do not belong here to attack people who make
on-topic appropriate posts they do not like. He relishes in the idea
that some poster he thinks is "Brad" is "OWNED" by such a hoodlum.
AND RECALL THAT PETER
HOOD IS EXPRESSLY ONE OF THE MOST ADMIRED PALS OF ALL THE REGULAR
PSYCHOLOGISTS HERE IN THIS NEWSGROUP.
In short, this newsgroup is clearly connected with hoodlums through
the leading psychologists and their pals here. IT IS A DISGRACE,
BUT IT IS A FACT!!!
From:
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Was Kali molested by GArY from Databasix?
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The web site repeatedly noted by Kali, aka Kim (Kym) Barnard, is a subdomain
of the malicious abuse domain databasix.com Wilhelp is just a subdomain of
that vanity domain owned and run by Gary L. Burnore, convicted child
molester. Kim Barnard is an sppm moderator. No grad. school will ever have
this abusive psyc. grad. and she will soon learn her B.S. is useless.
Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez is now using his good perv pal's web resources to
host the malicious, false and libelous web pages originally written by Paul
Bernhardt (sppm ombudsman) and Peter Hood #1 -- a most admired pal of
virtually all the evil psychologists in this newsgroup. In short the
connection between psychologists and the abusive Internet hoodlums and their
child molestor pals is about as direct as you could imagine. Also note: As
new allegations were made by psychologists (though both false and
misrepresented) they appeared on Taylor Jimenez's web page and were
knowingly hosted on the domain owned and operated by the convicted child
molestor, Gary L. Burnore. A North Carolina official web page (at the
bottom) clearly notes the conviction of Gary L. Burnore as a child molester.
Still today, Kim Barnard (Kali of lart.com, associated directly with Taylor
(Netscum) Jimenez) supports this hoodlum and the abuse domain of the child
molestor:
Quoting an earlier post from another:
Proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child molestor:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
(end quote)
Also see http://archives.mfn.org/ for the detailed evidence of one of Gary
L. Burnore's crimes. Without Burnore's services over the years the
psychologist here and their pals could not have conducted the harassment the
do regularly and "anonymously". Databasix, the perv domain, is the
unaccountable abuse domain they use.
From:
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Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Was Kali molested by a web domain owner? It appears so.
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It has been proven that the convicted child molestor, Gary L. Burnore, owns
and operates wilhelp.com Other than the fact that he has clearly indicated
this himself in a post to this newsgroup, the following has been
established:
**Complaints made about wilhelp.com eventually get a response from
the perv, Gary L. Burnore, or more specifically from databasix.com
-- a domain KNOWN to be his and on record as his, WHEN validly
listed in the past:
DataBasix (DATABASIX-DOM)
150 Haight Street, Suite 507
San Francisco, CA 94102-5744
USA
Domain Name: DATABASIX.COM
Administrative Contact:
Burnore, Gary L (GB335) mailto:gburnore@DATABASIX.COM
415/431-6316 (FAX) 415/431-5383
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Wicinski, Tim (TW40) mailto:tim@MEER.NET
+1.415.428.7111 (FAX) +1.415.967.0689
Billing Contact:
Giannandrea, Carol (CG410) mailto:cg@MEER.NET
415 428 7111
Record last updated on 20-Aug-96.
Record created on 30-May-95.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS.MEER.NET 140.174.164.2
CORP.TIG.COM 198.178.129.31
Wells Fargo (WELLSFARGO-DOM)
201 3rd Street
San Francisco, CA 94163
Domain Name: WELLSFARGO.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Jones, D J. (DJ167) mailto:djjones@WELLSFARGO.COM
4154777624
Record last updated on 06-Nov-96.
Record created on 28-Apr-93.
Domain servers in listed order:
GATEKEEPER.WELLSFARGO.COM 192.246.108.4
SHERIFF.WELLSFARGO.COM 204.30.29.4
The present listing FOR wilhelp.com
is admitted to be not accurate (see below), it says:
> David Kendrick (WILHELP-DOM)
> 2007 Crestview Way
> Woodstock, GA 30188
Taylor has informed us otherwise in this newsgroup. Also, the perv Gary
tries to have the present owner of databasix.com disguised by being anon,
like the perv coward he is, but it is KNOWN to still be his vanity domain
and include wilhelp.com as a subdomain. Taylor's own statements in this
newsgroup verify this:
**Taylor Jimenez says he bought the domain from the presently FALSELY
listed owner/operator and "gave it to a friend" (see post in this
newsgroup) (obviously the "friend" turned out to be none other than
the perv Gary L. Burnore).
Just for laughs, lets see what the lying pervert who denied wrong-doing here
for weeks actually says in one of his confessions:
Quoting the perv, Gary L. Burnore (a man who interacted with his GIRL
FRIEND'S daughter -- and the mother is reported to have said the
inappropriate behavior actually began when the girl was just 15 yr. old:
"I never heard from anyone, and kinda (wrongly) figured that the
registration would be kicked out, since the NC statute wasn't even
comparable. So much for assumptions. There has been no decision as to if my
name will remain on the NC list or not.
I was not convicted of a Felony. I was convicted of a misdemenor. The victim
was 18 before the sentencing date in March 1997. She was 17 in November of
1996. I did not plead to lesser charges. I did not do any of the horrible
things covered by the NC statute I've been registered under.
You know what's so damn frustrating about this? I chose to talk to a
councelor about this even though I knew it would bring charges. I was doing
the right thing. I did the right thing by not dragging it to a jury trial. I
did the right thing by regestering and I've done the right thing by paying
my fines,. court costs and obeying the terms of my probation. But none of
that seems to matter. The punishment just goes on and on and on.
Some of you will ask how I can prove any of this. I'll put a copy of the
charging document on a website. You can see the crime I was charged with and
link to a site on the CA gov page that defines it. If anyone really wants to
know more, they can do their own research. I would imagine that if I
published any statements written by the girl that it would be a violation of
law. Even if it weren't, I wouldn't do it, because it's not right.
Some of you will still then insist that it's not enough and you don't
believe me. I don't care. I don't have to tell you anything. This isn't
something that even needs to be discussed on Usenet but since it's been
brought up I've decided to do this much. That's it.
I want to thank all of those who have sided not with me, not the 17 year
old, but with justice. The posting to the WWW of this sort of informaiton is
not justice. It is continuation of the punishment levied in court. I believe
the federal law that prompted the creation of these kind of databases was
meant to protect all of the people, not punish some of them. It's a shame
that NC doesn't place the same kind of restrictions on use of the
information as some other states do." (end of perv quote)
Proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child molestor:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
(end quote)
Also see http://archives.mfn.org/ for the detailed evidence of one of Gary
L. Burnore's crimes. Without Burnore's services over the years the
psychologist here and their pals could not have conducted the harassment the
do regularly and "anonymously". Databasix, the perv domain, is the
unaccountable abuse domain they use.
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Hacker thugs support child molesters. Go away.
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You all should go away.
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Iceman likes to take it up the ass by child molesters and hackers
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Can one on-topic post be shown for: ICEMAN, Crawdad (now posting as
Yomma or some damned stupid thing like that), or Client Lartvocate??
Nope. They are hoodlums befriended during a 3 month period where
a leading psychologist posted ** 300 + ** off-topic, friendship-making posts
to hacker newsgroups OR during a PREVIOUS one year period where this same
sick psychologist posted over 600 times to alt.usenet.kooks (likely where
the Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez friendship developed). (This psychologist was
the psychologist leader of this newsgroup at the time and had been for a
couple of years. She is now considered a disgrace to the field and shunned
by all.)
Just the truth. I know the truth hurts, but it is the truth and many things
still in this newsgroup PROVE it even not again and again, over and over.
The psychologists here are discredited. The entire world laughs at them.
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What was Peter Hood's previous name before he became a criminal?
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Peter Hood has never revealed what his name WAS before his
name change. He also showed immediate and great concern about a
email address (_NOT_ an IP) that would link him to the same
exact location where some nasty guy worked. Moreover, Peter claimed
to have heard from or seen posts by this guy he was being confused
with YET NO ONE else ever saw anything posted by this guy. I suggest
that Leicester U. or whereever else Peter might associate investigate
this guy's past. "Peter Hood's" past is suspicious.
Any forensic people Peter "Hood" might work
with (given he has a masters degree in forensic psychology from Leicester
U., England) might be well-advised to look into this matter. Peter Hood,
who has
posted to Usenet NOT ANON, but with several true aliases and who has
expressly indicated intent to commit illegal actions warrants inv
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The problem with you hackers & nazi control freaks.
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Here's the "beef": all the psychologists, hacks, and other perverts
would not be involved at all or with "Brad" personally if he did
NOT hold the following valid views that have been affirmed and
highly praised by leading professors in the field (the very few of
them that have balls) The history of the newsgroup show that
all the attacks on "Brad" are due to people trying to silence the
following views (good research shows this is true -- Brad FAQs and
personal and anon attacks and groundless accusations made in a
stalking and harassing manner virually all followed the posting
of these views and any scientific investigation shows this):
Quoting:
All should agree that the following is an appropriate and civil FAQ about
psychotherapy. Further, all have seemed to agree that presenting
appropriate
FAQs on a monthly basis is appropriate. It therefore is my intention to
post the FAQ below monthly. From here on I an quoting a previous anon
poster:
The Answers to Science FAQs on Psychotherapy (below) will describe in
detail why
the following brief summary statement is as true today as it has ever been:
"After you match people for everything except psyc training, there is no
evidence psychologists are better at ANY noteworthy human skill or
activity. This is an absolute fact. What they have are meaningless
credentials, empirically speaking."
All the information in the FAQ below is completely current and accurate. It
is
as true today as it has ever been, perhaps moreso since the psychotherapy
field continues to pretend to science and operate in a fraudulent way. All
the information in the 2 links referred to is also completely factual
and accurate.
The science FAQ below describes MAJOR issues and questions that
are essential for the foundation of any science of psychotherapy, but
which have not been dealt with or adequately addressed in any way by the
profession. The issues are as important as ever and nothing is being
done to rectify the situation. There can be no real foundation for
psychotherapy or any efficient advancement until and unless these issues
are dealt with. The Amer. Psychol. Assoc. actively avoids dealing with any
of these
questions in any reasonable, proper way.
Issue 1, Regarding who are good counselors (cute title for issue):
"We can't 'Just Go With The Best' UNTIL We can
Determine what CONSTITUTES "the Best" and make sure we know where to
concentrate training to make "THE Best" otherwise we won't really have
the best and won't really get the best. Okay ?"
[Let me deal with your confusion from my title (above) by trying to
state the issue still briefly,
but more simply: If you don't know what good peer counselors can do or
what they can easily be trained to do and handle, you will not know
where you really need SPECIALLY trained (long trained) individuals or
the problems that they especially need to be trained for.
Trying for ten
words or less: "If you don't make comparisons with regular good people,
you don't know what you got." (scientifically speaking) (Sorry, 15 words.)]
OK, Let's take a look at this specific issue in a little more detail:
A major set of FOUNDATION research studies for the
counseling/"therapy" field has not yet been done. AND indeed, ONLY 3
CONTROLLED studies (the last in 1979 !) have been done comparing the
effects of counseling from professionals *with* counseling from "other
reasonable helpers" (with no professional grad. training). THIS, in
spite of the fact that these best studies in the area essentially show
that other REASONABLE helpers do as well for arguably a broad range of
problems. These studies, at the same time, indicate the other helpers
are an ethical comparison group, having been found *good* for a broad
range of problems for which counseling is most often sought. More
recently much research shows peer counselors in colleges to be VERY
helpful (though their performance is NOT directly compared to that of
professional helpers in these studies).
ANYWAY, these studies are NEEDED to show where professionals ARE
really needed AND where treatments need to be developed (as is, this
situation REMAINS VERY UNCLEAR). These studies might well also indicate
the desirability of other mental health care provider roles (like well
selected and well-trained peer counselors and/or more extensively
trained paraprofessionals).
Now to the "ethics" matter (the first defense of the many backing the
status quo in the field): Not only have other reasonable helpers been
shown effective for a broad range of problems in past studies, BUT ALSO:
"other helpers" (peer counselors or "paras"), used as a comparison group
to professionals (professionals who are licensed & grad.-trained), would
ETHICALLY only have to be NO WORSE than the NO TREATMENT groups (or
waitlist control groups) used today OR NO WORSE than the placebo
controls used today for the study to be considered ethical. *AS WITH*
the types of studies now done, clients treated by peer counselors OR
"paras" could be offered professional care AFTER the study. (Today
waitlist people wait up to around 3 months for treatment -- they just
wait until the other exactly equivalently disturbed group is treated.)
AGAIN: Without these studies we do NOT KNOW where professionals are
really needed or most needed. Areas where treatment developments are
most needed are not being identified. (I hope readers appreciate these
and other LIKELY negative effects ON CLIENTS of an inexcusable LACK of
work in certain, basic areas of FOUNDATION RESEARCH.) Also, a
reasonable, delineated mental health care SYSTEM (with a variety of
helpers or at least specializations) is NOT being developed. IT REALLY
CAN'T BE FROM ONE STANDPOINT: *BASIC FOUNDATION* RESEARCH IS
*NECESSARY*. There are many things about which one cannot conclude
without clear research.
---------
Issue #2: (not so cute title): "If you want to have a good
classification system (and you MUST if you want to be any kind of
scientist), THEN you must do work on making your diagnostic (or
classification) system understandable. You must at the most basic level
set up definitions so people show agreement on diagnoses (or formal
classification)" This requires research DEVELOPING interrater
reliability SURROUNDING the specific diagnostic criteria (PER SE) --
i.e. as written -- between each "revision" of said criteria. This is
rarely done.
Regarding the therapists' major guide for objectivity, the Diagnostic
and Stat. Manual of the Amer. Psychiatric Assoc.: It is without question
that one could develop criteria-through-procedures that show MUCH better
inter-rater agreement than the DSM. The last time the Amer. Psychia.
Assoc. published and reported COLLECTED reliability data (within the DSM
itself (DSM III)), there was only a r=.7 correlation between clinicians
AS TO WHETHER a client had a disorder in the Mood Disorder GROUP (or
NOT). SIMILARLY, there was an equally low level of agreement on whether
a client had a disorder in an Anxiety CATEGORY (or NOT) (quite
inadequate!!). (Often there is disagreement on whether a disorder is an
Anxiety Disorder or a Mood Disorder.) AND this is all beside the issue
that today's "diagnoses" are possibly good for very little and possibly
often more destructive than constructive. VERY VERY little work was done
investigating the inter-rater reliability of criteria *between* DSM-III
and the meeting of the DSM-IV committee to define "new" diagnostic
"options." In fact, only 14 of the top 40 diagnoses had ANY inter-rater
reliability data generated on their criteria in the 15 years since
DSM-III (source: DSM-IV Sourcebook, Vol. 2). Judging by the "new" ICD-10
criteria and their inter-rater reliabilities, we can expect the DSM-IV
diagnostic criteria to show little better inter-rater reliabilities than
DSM-III (the DSM-IV criteria were made to be very similar and consistent
with ICD-10).
To comfort us in some way a number of therapists say "we don't like
diagnoses either." A GOOD RETORT:
I don't care about diagnoses, but you still need good definitions
THROUGH THE PROCEDURES YOU USE within an agency to have the minimum
science standard -- decent inter rater agreement. Otherwise you cannot
discuss anything clearly with any others (you can't communicate). I am
in no way comforted by the INDIVIDUAL therapist making his decisions in
idiosyncratic ways, with way too little accountability. (It is a
principle: power corrupts. Without accountability or communication you
will have an inappropriate degree of power BECAUSE it is in no way
appropriately negotiated, sanctioned, or scientifically monitored.)
I am quite aware that "therapists" often do not use the DSM. They VERY
often do not use ANY proven diagnostic OR CLASSIFICATION system. They
think what ever they want and do whatever they want. I can't believe
that people can possibly be given doctorates in this area (esp.
given I have well shown that clinicians are in NO real sense whatsoever
"science-practitioner" -- in NO sense at all).
See http://psychfacts.cjb.net for more.
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Issue #3: (not cute at all) :
"Claims of Being "Science-Practitioners" are Fraudulent,
Misleading and Scientifically Unethical"
People of science should do the main basic science practices when and
where they can (e.g. in their own local agencies or professional
group).
To be a "science-practitioner" you must do some science practice, not
just read science (or in this case read a hodgepodge of poor science and
speculatively "extrapolate").
To be a "science-practitioner" you must clearly and regularly engage in
some science procedure. Extrapolating from studies done in the
irony tower is NOT practicing science. In fact, it is doing NOTHING
special OR professional at all. Such a person is acting just as a lay
reader of science and unless the practitioner uses the results of the
single study (or much more rare, a study program)
*directly* and in a controlled manner, he is only speculating.
In NO substantial way is their any truth to the claim that clinical
psychologists, etc. are science practitioners. Clinical
psychologists do not have the discipline to establish good operational
definitions WITHIN AGENCIES (e.g. for defining (i.e. diagnosing)
personality disorders). NO PROGRESS CAN BE MADE UNDER THESE
CIRCUMSTANCES (and many other similar problems-in-science cases).
Because they are not scientists they cannot progress OR really work
well together. They cannot self-evaluate. DSM criteria are so far from
good operational definitions, I would not dignify them with the word
"criteria." I know of no counselor or agency that has made any credible
attempt at scientific respectability (or any that could be argued to be
doing such). It is simply pitiful and inexcusable. Practice, as is, is
actually an abuse of power and taking advantage of vulnerable
populations. Someday such practice may result in law suits. Using
diagnostic procedures that do lead to excellent inter-rater agreement is
certainly possible today, not only at some level but at a useful level.
At present counselors and therapists don't even respect each other.
Since I am trained in psychology myself I know what is meant when it is
said that therapists are "trained in scientific methods." Trouble is
they engage in no regular (much less integral) scientific PROCEDURES in
the normal or typical conduct of their work. This is true to such a
degree it is unacceptable. And it is true of all therapists I know of.
Again, their failure to develop operational definitions of personality
disorders that at least show excellent within agency inter-rater
reliability is an excellent illustration. There is correspondingly a
lack of proven agreement on the application of procedures (loosely called
"therapies") and on the assessment of results IN actual practice. The
field itself recognizes deficiencies in how "therapies" are considered
"validated." (Obviously with this problem most treatments should NOT be
termed "therapies.")
The fact that the idea of scientific procedure INTEGRAL in a therapist's
daily work makes no sense to many therapists is not surprising. THERE
ARE NONE!! I would hope you could see a problem there. While
psychologists hear a lot about scientific methods, they do not learn to
use them in an integrated and realistic way (even in the "ivory tower"). No
wonder when the controls of grad. school are gone and no others exist
(as it is with most therapists), even the mock "science" behavior no longer
occurs. ...
....
My definition of minimally acting "in accord WITH science" is: that
one clearly makes use of a set of procedures (yielding determinations
and
clear actions), from diagnoses through treatment through assessment of
results, that *ALL* have shown or proven their inter-rater reliabilities
(start to finish at each step of the process). OR, at a minimum,
demonstrating
MOVEMENT in this direction by working together with fellow professionals
and progressively demonstrating interrater reliabilities.
Achieving the objective indicated is analogous to good
diagnoses and treatment in medicine. Respectable, systematic MOVEMENT
in this direction is essential (and the minimum) for anyone to validly
call themselves a "science-practitioner". This does NOT go on today.
To be a scientist one must WORK WITH OTHERS in an integral
(day-to-day) way so better and better and more and more inter-rater
reliabilities are shown or so studies are replicated at a good rate.
And, all this should be linked to concrete
things that have been agreed upon as important and such a system of
proceeding should be linked to more and more good consequences (results)
and account for (and allow control of) more and more phenomenon. Then
you would be a science-practitioner, one who PRACTICES science oneself.
----
FOOTNOTE:
The way progress in developing "better"
diagnostic criteria proceeds today illustrates what is wrong with the
way things operate and are done today. It displays the lack of appreciation
for the grassroots INDUCTIVE work that, it seems to me, has to be done.
True, the "diagnostic options" decided on by the DSM COMMITTEES every
decade or so *are tested* AFTER THE FACT for inter-rater reliability.
BUT, the problem is:
Do you wait for rare committee meetings to try to piece together a set
of best "options" on a relatively rare basis OR do you strive for better
reliabilities for criteria *AND better criteria* more often, on a more
local level ?? Yes, PEOPLE must first have "guesses" about what might be
better criteria and *then* investigate them. BUT this need not ALL be
done by rare committees ALONE doing this work. Doing virtually all such
diagnostic development work JUST by committee (meeting every decade
or so) is loaded on a hypothetico-deductive side as opposed to a
grassroots, more inductive, discovery (and yes, trial and error)
approach.
One could argue that INDEED you DO (and MUST) **DISCOVER*** the
better criteria, rather than formulate them en masse in our heads during
"big committee" meetings. What our present attitude suggests, and what
is done now, is the figuring of nature out in our heads and then (only
afterward) testing your limited range of relatively constrained ideas.
Wouldn't it be better for some local consistent (**everyday**) work to
go on to find criteria that are understandable and show (demonstrate)
inter-rater reliabilities and also relate to disorders? SHOULDN'T THIS
AT LEAST BE DONE *IN ADDITION* TO THE inter-rater reliability work
associated every decade or so with "committee work" ? PRESENTLY THIS
IS NOT DONE, AND I WOULD ARGUE IS ONE BIG THING THAT HOLDS UP
DEVELOPMENT OF THE FIELD. We are basically both being pompous and
pretentious, while at the same time abdicating basic science
responsibilities.
Listen, you have a customer forging me. I did not make any of the posts
below, they are all forgeries out of your server. Get it stopped..
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Is "Client Lartvocate" the child molestor GArY?
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Is "Client Lartvocate" the child molestor himself? My bet is YES!!
Gary L. Burnore, convicted child molestor, known Usenet forger and stalker
and harasser. The proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child
molestor:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
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Re: This is the newsgroup Dr. Leslie Packer ruined.
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Indeed, this is the unethical psychologists' newsgroup. So were
the 300 posts making pals with hacker hoodlums and the 1000 posts
making pals with punks in alt.usenet.kooks a year or 2 before that.
John Price, Dan Rogers (sppm moderators) et al basicly solicited the abuse
here.
Price actually begged for it. And, THE malicious web page content was
updated to
reflect their distinct contributions (esp. Peter Hood's). Yep, I'm talkin'
about the very web page hosted by Taylor Jimenez and with the clear
knowledge
and support of the domain owner himself (no other than the convicted
child molester, Gary L. Burnore). The roots of this newsgroup are
firmly linked to hoodlums and even to those that threaten and do illegal
behaviors. The cause of ALL this is the solicitation of psychologists.
Psychologists would rather have this newsgroup like this than face science
criticisms of their field EVEN THOUGH THIS IS (supposedly)
sci.psychology.psychotherapy. The world has seen the newsgroup for the sham
it is and know well that psychologists have made this newsgroup what it
is today.
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Tom August is Iceman.
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I have been harassed by a guy calling himself ICEMAN. I have found certain
information on his identity. His headers are quite unique and traceable
and matchable to the signature "Iceman" and several related addresses.
We know his real domain.
It is certain that the "Iceman" is one Tom August, alias res072bx@gte.net
and alias "SoCal Tom" Here is the rest of the information I have on him
The person in charge of his domain is: csoulia@genuity.net
The main newsgroup he participates on is 24hoursupport.helpdesk but he
also posts to ba.broadcast because he works at a radio station
(see quoted post below)
Iceman also has the address: Ic3man@hotmail.com AND
From: "SoCal Tom" <chupacabra@vampire.boo>
Newsgroups: ba.broadcast
Subject: Re: Sacto Radio; was:RE coffee to ticket 1050/KPAY 1060 dark/loss,
etc.
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"Dann" <djs@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:8inK7.118855$WW.7453261@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "SoCal Tom" <chupacabra@vampire.boo> wrote in message
> news:WglK7.1$%s3.5172@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> >
> > Was his name Joe Shea, by any chance??
>
> That's the guy!
OK! Wow! Joe Shea was the guy who hired me off the street at KSFM (96.9). (I
had commercial on-air experience previously at a Top-40 station, but wanted
to visit the operation. I was fresh out of the military and was sort of
looking for a gig.) He's one guy you didn't want to smoke a cigarette around
for fear of explosion. Loaded to the gills, he was an OK sort; but when he
was sober, he was holy hell.
At the time, KSFM was owned by a group of investors (a few doctors and a
lawyer or two) and Joe was the GM and chief sales guy. If he went out
selling, and sold a package, he'd drink half of the account's check before
he got to the station. Joe got himself fired a month after I started there.
After all of these years, it is making some sense now. I was always curious
about the seemingly close ties between KJML and KSFM. Logan T. (Bud)
Waterman took the helm of KSFM when Shea was canned; but he held a
"soft-spot" open for KJML. When there was a major problem at KJML, Bud would
head over, usually dragging me with him, and we'd fix the problem.
>
> Kerns would also call the control room and tell me to run certain spots
and
> his editorials, the log be damned. One time I'm sure he was somewhere
with
> a group of people when he called and had me run an anti abortion editorial
> he'd recorded. There was also the company who alledgedly had purchased a
> lifetime contract. The "Spudnuts" jingle ran constantly. Needless to
say,
> I didn't work there long. But the funny times are well remembered.
>
>
Oh yeah, then there was KATT/KRBT out in Woodland, but that's another story.
--
SoCal Tom
CAUTION: Eating, drinking, breathing and life can be hazardous to your
health.
Dammit! Dave's not here!!!
>
AND
tom.august@verizonDSLsucks.net)
res072bx (res072bx@gte.net)
res072bx
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
You assholes want to get personal again? You make me sick.
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You assholes want to get personal again? I thought you assholes were
against that. But, when you are in the wrong and proven wrong and
all you disgraceful friends are in a pickle, I guess that is all
you can do. Bite me.
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Beat it, Pedo.
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Just beat it, Pedo Burnore and quit with the abuse of all varieties.
Quit forging, quit with the socks, quit all your abusing (if you can ),
you stinking pervert.
Gary L. Burnore, convicted child molestor, known Usenet forger and stalker
and harasser. The proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child
molestor!!:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Odds are "Client Lartvocate" is GArY.
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Hey, Gary. If you quit forging and harassing and abusing people,
maybe the fact that you lied about what you did would not be
smeared in your face. People would leave you alone, if you leave
them alone. Otherwise you are screwed big time, Gary. You lose, Gary
Is "Client Lartvocate" the child molestor himself? My bet is YES!!
Gary L. Burnore, convicted child molestor, known Usenet forger and stalker
and harasser. The proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child
molestor!!!!!:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
Also see http://archives.mfn.org/ for the detailed evidence of one of Gary
L.
Burnore's crimes.
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Don't blame me.
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It is not my fault that Peter Hood and psychologists and others of their
pals have resorted to using known Internet hoodlums and convicted child
molesters to do their dirty work for them. Hell, all this started over 3 or
4 years ago with the 1000 or so posts by psychologists to alt.usenet.kooks,
voting people "not human", telling sincere people to fuck off and die,
starting an abuse newsgroup and so on. Only recently did "hackers"
(actually slimy punks) get courted by 300 posts BY PSYCHOLOGISTS to their
newsgroups befriending them. But the connection between Taylor and Burnore
and the psychologists and their friends pre-existed the hacker connection
by 2 years!!!
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Another one of psycho Peter's _TRUE_aliases - Max Wedge.
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All should realize that the very sick Max Wedge (a documented
psycho) is in all likelihood the punk Peter Hood HIMSELF --
yep, the same Peter Hood that more or less started all the
mischief here (but then tried to hide from his record when
he had to pretend to be respectable for a while when he was
getting his master's degree in Forensic Psyc., a known fraudulent
field, from Leicester Univ., U.K.)
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
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Subject:
No evidence "Client Lartvocate" is the NOT GArY.
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I am going to assume he is. Gary will be held accountable.
I will bury him unless he scurries off.
Hey, Gary. If you quit forging and harassing and abusing people, maybe the
fact that you lied about what you did would not be smeared in your face.
People would leave you alone, if you leave them alone. Otherwise you are
screwed big time, Gary. You lose, Gary
Gary L. Burnore, convicted child molestor, known Usenet forger and stalker
and harasser. The proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child
molestor!!!!!:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
Also see http://archives.mfn.org/ for the detailed evidence of one of Gary
L. Burnore's crimes.
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Re: GArY Burnore Works There! (was Re: Need help with a hack)
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com and .net are not the same. The one Gary L. Burnore has been clearly
connected with because he was the admin that assigned several of their
255 available IPs was the .net domain. You are trying to cover-up real
good for your perv pal, though. You are fooling no one :
Registrant:
Ntrnet Systems, Inc.
5110 Stardust Drive
2nd Floor
Durham, NC 27712
US
Domain Name: NTRNET.NET
Sponsoring Reseller; for Technical Support
with respect to this domain contact:
Ntrnet Systems, Inc., dbs@ntrnet.net
919-484-0504
Administrative Contact:
Williams, Jim jaw12@ntrnet.net
5110 Stardust Drive
2nd Floor
Durham, NC 27712
US
919-484-0504
Technical Contact:
Tech, Domain domtech@ntrnet.net
2222 NC Hwy 54
Beta Bldg, Suite 340
Durham, NC 27713
US
919-484-0504
Billing Contact:
Williams, Jim jaw12@ntrnet.net
5110 Stardust Drive
2nd Floor
Durham, NC 27712
US
919-484-0504
Record last updated on 10-Dec-2001.
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Proof Databasix was hacked by pedo hating hackers.
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You will never see better evidence on Usenet. System records of
Gary L. Burnore where he deals with the IPs in question:
root:2xCNG84dN1Bls:0:3:DataBasix Operations:/:
kroot:OwpDWgFnm4x4E:0:3:NetBasix/DataBasix Operations:/:/bin/ksh
daemon:*:1:1:System daemons:/etc:
bin:*:2:2:Owner of system commands:/bin:
sys:*:3:3:Owner of system files:/usr/sys:
adm:*:4:4:System accounting:/usr/adm:
fax:NOLOGIN:5:5:Facsimile Agent:/usr/local/HylaFAX-v4.0/spool:
uucp:*:5:5:UUCP administrator:/usr/lib/uucp:
nuucp:*:6:5:Anonymous UUCP
site:/usr/spool/uucplogins/nuucp:/usr/lib/uucp/uucico
auth:*:7:21:Authentication administrator:/tcb/files/auth:
asg:*LK**:8:8:Assignable devices:/:
cron:*:9:16:Cron daemon:/usr/spool/cron:
sysinfo:*:11:11:System information:/usr/bin:
admin:25b7TmMJmk1lw:12:3:Web Administration:/www:/bin/ksh
news:jliXAGXJDDXA.:13:13:News:/inn:/bin/ksh
announce:mPnzZhA5p4tPU:14:13:News:/local/sysadm/announce:/bin/ksh
dos:*:16:11:DOS device:/:
mmdf:/4z7Bh8t4rT2o:17:11:Mailer:/usr/mmdf:
network:*:18:10:MICNET administrator:/usr/network:
backup:*:19:19:Backup
administrator:/usr/backup:/bin/shftp:99g2CIhytCy0I:20:50:Anonymous FTP
Account:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.161/sco_ftp:/bin/sh
majordom:1hT84Uv1CzwyA:24:24:Majordomo ID:/usr/majordom:/bin/ksh
netscape:H83tZIX/T44k2:25:25:Netscape:/www:/bin/false
nouser:LGTtt0PIqGvt2:28:28:System User:/:/bin/false
listen:*:37:4:Network daemons:/usr/net/nls:
lp:*:71:18:Printer administrator:/usr/spool/lp:
audit:*:79:17:Audit administrator:/tcb/files/audit:
gary:bJeeLH6uwlMcs:199:3:Gary L. Burnore:/local/sysadm/gary:/bin/ksh
informix:NowLDp7Qax01c:200:200:Informix Admin :/informix:/bin/ksh
gburnore:q2S0EdSsbak7M:201:3:Gary L.
Burnore:/local/sysadm/gburnore:/bin/ksh
eridani:tU7TOX3QutF7I:202:3:Belinda:/local/eridani:/bin/ksh
belinda:5sYfO3l.q5MQQ:202:3:Belinda:/local/eridani:/bin/ksh
plcymgmt:dBloFpntE9BeY:203:105:Policy Management
(Abuse):/local/sysadm/plcymgmt:/bin/ksh
bogus:rtIgyyqEP4YBk:204:3:Bogue mail drop:/local/sysadm/bogus:/bin/ksh
bulk:hvPEAqtyfuJsQ:205:3:Bulk Mail
Receiver:/local/sysadm/bulk:/bin/ksh
mjdadmin:VKb1bAGiAdDLo:206:3:MajordomoAdmin:/local/sysadm/mjdadmin:/bin/ksh
noc:CiUG/S51RCEec:207:3:Network Operations
Center:/local/sysadm/noc:/bin/ksh
zane:TKaTY06r04v1Q:208:3:Zane:/local/zane:/bin/ksh
zoe:RKHA2iIqRgVHA:209:3:Zoe:/local/zoe:/bin/ksh
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upaadmin:pPDhOyH0q6Oq6:213:101:Admin for
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dpadmin:qT2IRnWIvP38Y:214:101:Admin for
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ns2admin:*:216:101:Admin for
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From:
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Subject:
Hoods, Perv Pals and faggot hacker friends of GArY's & of Psychologists. (proven and documented)
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At least three of the identifiable hoods posting maliciously and
off-topic to this newsgroup can be shown to have accounts with
databasix.com, the well-known, abuse and vanity domain OWNED and
operated by Gary L. Burnore. There is excellent documentation
that all of the following abusive individuals are among the perv
pals with accounts:
Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez (also of lart.com and former keeper
of the alt.usenet.kooks FAQ; always posts off the record
and 99%+ of his posts stalking, harassing and/or malicious;
clearly befriended by psychologists more than 3 years ago to
host THEIR abusive web page, when they wanted to distance
themselves from direct connection to the harassment and lies)
Cipher (act. David Howard of Virginia Beach, VA), long time
abusive "'Net Cop"/hood (always anon these days and always
malicious -- so hated by so many, for such good reasons, that
this guy who used to criticize "anon cowards" can be NOTHING
but an anon coward HIMSELF)
thePsyko (act. Steve Wright)-- major contributor to the abuse
hacker newsgroup, alt.hackers.malicious but was courted
by major psychologist leader of this newsgroup to monitor
things here (psychologist stroked his ego by getting him
"published" on an exclusive psychology web site)
the perv himself, Gary L. Burnore (his abuse domain has had
at least three different "homes" and is recognized by many
as the most abusive domain on all of Usenet -- try google and
a search on "databasix.com and see; System admin. have characterized
Gary not only as a stalking and abusive individual, but as a
forger, gaining power on Usenet only by these pathetic means.)
There is no reason to believe anything except that all the abuse
is coming from this group of PERV PALS **OR** from Crawdad, a
thoroughly abusive Usenet poster who was also courted by the leading
psychologist of this newsgroup (from 'hacker'/punk newsgroups) --
that psychologist was the FIRST person to wish him "Happy Birthday"
last year
In short, this newsgroup is essentially being abused by a handful
of individuals (act. about 4). PLUS these are individuals
who were either directly courted to
"help" here by the leading psychologists in this newsgroup OR are
pals of those people.
IT WOULD BE ACCURATE TO VIEW THIS NEWSGROUP AS BEING ABUSED BY
THE PSYCHOLOGISTS THEMSELVES. JOHN PRICE ACTIVELY AND EXPRESSLY
WAS AMONG THOSE CLEARLY SOCILITING THE ATTACKS YOU SEE HERE. These
are not independent 'Netizens' they are befriended solicited
hoods and punks with clear ties to more than 2 of the leading
psychologists of sci.psychology.psychotherapy and of the sister
newsgroup, sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
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Subject:
Psychologists STILL suck off hackers.
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This should be part of the sppFAQ: Psychologists still in control
of this newsgroup: First the databasix/perv connection explained,
then the psychologist connection to those same people.:
At least three of the identifiable hoods posting maliciously and
off-topic to this newsgroup can be shown to have accounts with
databasix.com, the well-known, abuse and vanity domain OWNED and
operated by Gary L. Burnore. There is excellent documentation
that all of the following abusive individuals are among the perv
pals with accounts:
Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez (also of lart.com and former keeper
of the alt.usenet.kooks FAQ; always posts off the record
and 99%+ of his posts stalking, harassing and/or malicious;
clearly befriended by psychologists more than 3 years ago to
host THEIR abusive web page, when they wanted to distance
themselves from direct connection to the harassment and lies)
Cipher (act. David Howard of Virginia Beach, VA), long time
abusive "'Net Cop"/hood (always anon these days and always
malicious -- so hated by so many, for such good reasons, that
this guy who used to criticize "anon cowards" can be NOTHING
but an anon coward HIMSELF)
thePsyko (act. Steve Wright)-- major contributor to the abuse
hacker newsgroup, alt.hackers.malicious but was courted
by major psychologist leader of this newsgroup to monitor
things here (psychologist stroked his ego by getting him
"published" on an exclusive psychology web site)
the perv himself, Gary L. Burnore (his abuse domain has had
at least three different "homes" and is recognized by many
as the most abusive domain on all of Usenet -- try google and
a search on "databasix.com and see; System admin. have characterized
Gary not only as a stalking and abusive individual, but as a
forger, gaining power on Usenet only by these pathetic means.)
There is no reason to believe anything except that all the abuse
is coming from this group of PERV PALS **OR** from Crawdad, a
thoroughly abusive Usenet poster who was also courted by the leading
psychologist of this newsgroup (from 'hacker'/punk newsgroups) --
that psychologist was the FIRST person to wish him "Happy Birthday"
last year
In short, this newsgroup is essentially being abused by a handful
of individuals (act. about 4). PLUS these are individuals
who were either directly courted to
"help" here by the leading psychologists in this newsgroup OR are
pals of those people.
IT WOULD BE ACCURATE TO VIEW THIS NEWSGROUP AS BEING ABUSED BY
THE PSYCHOLOGISTS THEMSELVES. JOHN PRICE ACTIVELY AND EXPRESSLY
WAS AMONG THOSE CLEARLY SOCILITING THE ATTACKS YOU SEE HERE. These
are not independent 'Netizens' they are befriended solicited
hoods and punks with clear ties to more than 2 of the leading
psychologists of sci.psychology.psychotherapy and of the sister
newsgroup, sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Hacker punks are visiting Peter?
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I thought this might be a good time to find out which one of you
obviously morally bankrupt and evil and cowardly punks has recently
said you where going to be visiting Peter Hood (masters degree in
Forensic Psychology, Leicester Univ., U.K.)? I think curious
readers would like to see all the connections between the punks and
the psychologists. No one would deny that Peter Hood, more than
any person here, has been expressly declared as a friend by
psychologists. Now, who was it that is visiting him. The most
unexcellent "Client Lartvocate"???
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Re: Psychologists' Pal, "Just Taylor" Jimenez.
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Other interesting info. from the informative web site about
Taylor Jimenez, yep that same guy that did dirty work for
psychologists here for years:
Also, here are web links that will bring you to much evidence against Taylor
Jimenez and his associates:
All forgeries, none of these posts were made by Brad see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=altshift@worldnet.att.net&num=100&hl=en;hl=en
AND see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:Brad+author:Jesness&num=100&hl=en&filter=0&filter=0
To see how the web page is used as an instrument not only for
libel/slander/defamation, but as a tool to do off-topic malicious
spam that is obviously stalking and harassing and threatening see: (Note
each pair below may
show substantial overlap.):
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=www.lart.com/brad&num=100&hl=en
AND
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=http%3A//www.lart.com/brad&num=100&hl=en;hl=en
AND
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=http%3A//www.lart.com/brad&num=100&hl=en&hl=en
AND
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=www.wilhelp.com/brad&num=100&hl=en>
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See the abuse of Brad’s wife (a total innocent) by following this link:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Renee%20Jesness&num=100&hl=en
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Psychologists' Pal, "Just Taylor" Jimenez
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A web page I have seen reveals the kind of man Taylor Jimenez,
friend of Kim Barnard (sppm moderator) and of psychologists
in this newsgroup is. (He also is a user of the free Usenet services
provide by Gary Burnore, owner of databasix.com and convicted
child molester). Taylor Jimenez without a doubt hosted web
pages for the leading psychologists in this newsgroup for YEARS
and is continuing his stalking and harassment.
I saw this on an interesting web site.
Here is the kind of email Brad apparently received right after
Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez learned his email address. Jimenez
was the only person who knew it. This shows the kind of man
Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach Ca is:
>Return-Path: <mix@mix.winterorbit.com>
>Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:41:13 +0200
>From: Anonymous <nobody@mix.winterorbit.com>
>Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above.
> It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software.
> Please report problems or inappropriate use to the
> remailer administrator at <abuse@mix.winterorbit.com>.
>To: altshift@att.net
>Subject: Do you really want to do this???
>
>Brad,
>
>See you are getting braver, and posting hate stuff again.
>
>Do you really want to do this??
>
>Remember, I own you!
>
>Return-Path: <mixmaster@helferlein.net>
>From: Anonymous Coredump <mixmaster@remailer.segfault.net>
>Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above.
> It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software.
> Please report problems or inappropriate use to the
> remailer administrator at <jochen@segfault.net>.
> http://remailer.segfault.net/mixmaster/
>To: altshift@att.net
>Subject: gloves
>Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:33:56 +0200 (CEST)
>
>Are you using gloves and a mask to check your mail?
>
>I thought not.
>
>Might be wise in today’s environment.
>
>Return-Path: <mix@mix.winterorbit.com>
>Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:50:56 +0200
>From: Anonymous <nobody@mix.winterorbit.com>
>Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above.
> It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software.
> Please report problems or inappropriate use to the
> remailer administrator at <abuse@mix.winterorbit.com>.
>To: altshift@att.net
>Subject: Move?
>
>Thought you were going to move out of ur wifes house?
>
(end quoted emails)
Recall that Taylor Jimenez just recently learned Brad's previously unknown
email address. Also recall that he makes threats publicly by name that
implicate him in the above anon harassing and threatening emails.)
(end of quoted web page)
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
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Re: Psychologists Pal, "Just Taylor" Jimenez
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Iceman, you are a liar and a perv pal. You suck. Why don't
you do a trace yourself, before lying. Below is
excellent evidence that Taylor Jimenez is an illegal forger,
a stalker and harasser.:
It is interesting but the earliest reference to Brad's email
address occurred ON USENET occurred the VERY same day someone
forged his email in making a post to Usenet.
THAT WAS ALSO THE VERY SAME DAY TAYLOR JIMENEZ SITES THE FIRST
EMAIL TO HIM FROM BRAD!!!
Below is the first google reference to brad's email address,
followed by a copy of a letter from Brad to Taylor Jimenez,
which is HOSTED ON TAYLOR'S OWN SITE.
I conclude, Taylor Jimenez is breaking the law and is a harasser,
stalker, and forger.
The first Usenet post still in the archive, showing Brad's email
is directly below (see below that for the letter to Jimenez, where he
learned the email address -- SAME DAY)
This was a post in response to the first
Return-Path: <altshift@iname.com>
From: JaggedLittleHeart <gardenerNOSPAM@qsmail.net>
Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious
Subject: Re: BadAss Hacker Needed! Hot Monkey for Sex Needed!
Date: 4 Sep 2001 23:08:13 GMT
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B. Jesness <monkeyboy-brad@jesness.con> wrote in
news:1jmapts2pkr60gosv3h1r39fuk2ut7emap@4ax.com:
> I'm looking for a cool cat hacker that can take care of some trouble
> makers. I'll pay money too! E-mail me at
> altshift@postoffice.worldnet.att.net and I'll give you all the details.
>
> Oh, and I'm looking for a couple of hot monkeys to have sex with. If
> you have a monkey or a very hairy woman e-mail me at the above address.
You equate a hairy woman to a monkey?
>
> You know what? Forget about the hacking, just find me a money to have
> sex with. I'll pay up to $1,000 for a monkey. I'll double it if the
> monkey is experienced and last longer than the 30 seconds I can.
>
> B. Jesness
>
NOW Quoting a letter from Brad to Taylor, from Taylor's own web site:
Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010904133955.008548c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
X-Sender: altshift@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:39:55 -0500
To: taylor@LART.COM
From: Brad <altshift@iname.com>
Subject: Libelous web site on your service
Cc: hostmaster@WESTHOST.COM
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Status:
The web site http://www.lart.com/brad is false and libelous about me.
There is no evidence that the anon posts cited are made by me and the
"evidence" is misrepresented as being from me. Because of the content of
the anon posts and because of the conclusions your web author falsely
draws from the posts, the web site is libelous.
You will be held accountable for libel if the web site is not removed.
Legal action will be taken if the site is not taken down.
Sincerely, Brad Jesness
Listen, you have a customer forging me. I did not make any of the posts
below, they are all forgeries out of your server. Get it stopped..
This forger is harassing people in a TEEN SUPPORT NEWSGROUP. THIS IS
CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR IN ALL COUNTRIES. GET IT STOPPED OR FACE PROSECUTION.
This is the 6th or 7th email to you full of forgeries from your service.
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
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Subject:
Need help?
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If there are any lonely or des pressed young ladies here and would like some
company or maybe a romantic night out on the down and live in Minneapolis,
drop me an e-mail and I will be glad to make you feel better.
From:
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Re: Need help?
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:03:01 -0500, "~*miss kendra*~"
<misskenna17@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>right...cause all we fucking need now is
>a self-centered, ignorant boy that's just
>looking for a hopeful easy lay.
I'm not a boy. I'm 100% man honey. Something you will never know because
its clear you are too fat and lazy.
>depression isnt about being lonely and
>wanting/needing to date.
>
>go play with yourself, elsewhere.
>
>~*miss kenna*~
>
>"Brad Jesness" <altshift@att.net> wrote in message
>news:k0025ugiv6qj2l5dn5cickn7t3920duhqh@4ax.com...
>> If there are any lonely or des pressed young ladies here and would like
>some
>> company or maybe a romantic night out on the down and live in Minneapolis,
>> drop me an e-mail and I will be glad to make you feel better.
>>
>
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:24:02 -0500, "~*miss kendra*~"
<misskenna17@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not a boy. I'm 100% man honey. Something you will never know because
>> its clear you are too fat and lazy.
>>
>right...im TOO FAT, cause i only weigh a whole fucking 63 pounds, you ass!
I figured you would be some crack-smoking two dollar whore. Better sell
that computer of yours so you won't have to turn tricks tonight.
>do your homework, read what dom says...man starts with respect...and im
>sorry, but i already have a man that treats me insanely wonderfully, and im
>so sorry you cant accept rejection. (just between you and me...you might
>possibly want to try working on that, its a turn off)
Your dad doesn't count.
>*teartear* that was my heart for your soul. obviously you should looking up
>what a man is, because it isnt one that tries to degrade others, especially
>a woman. besides, even if you are a MAN..maybe youre looking at the wrong
>age group for a date..pedofile.
>
>-=misskendra=-
>
>sometimes i wanna jump through the screen and....no, not slap the other
>person....laugh in his face cause I'm an idiot! my god i can hardly control
>myself..ignorance makes me who I am!
I agree. You are an idiot.
From:
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Subject:
Re: Need help?
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:37:17 -0000, "Bishop" <Paul.Harnett@Ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>Things like this worry me greatly.
I'm a licensed psychologist. I can deal with lonely and depressed people
just fine.
>"Brad Jesness" <altshift@att.net> wrote in message
>news:k0025ugiv6qj2l5dn5cickn7t3920duhqh@4ax.com...
>> If there are any lonely or des pressed young ladies here and would like some
>> company or maybe a romantic night out on the down and live in Minneapolis,
>> drop me an e-mail and I will be glad to make you feel better.
From:
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Re: Need help?
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:20:17 GMT, "fallout" <fallout1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Then you should be drummed out of the profession. You are a creep in
>assholes clothing.
>Get the fuck out and stay out.
Hold on so I can pull my pants down and you can just suck the shit out of my
ass seeing as how you have such a potty mouth. Do you kiss your dyke mother
with that mouth you fucking cunt-ass whore?
>fallout - who doesn't like unethical psychologists.
Fuck you bitch. I wouldn't let you suck me off even if you begged.
>"Brad Jesness" <altshift@att.net> wrote in message
>news:ku145u8ctpj0gghncr9ud5s2jadpa9vmb3@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:37:17 -0000, "Bishop" <Paul.Harnett@Ntlworld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Things like this worry me greatly.
>>
>> I'm a licensed psychologist. I can deal with lonely and depressed people
>> just fine.
>>
>> >"Brad Jesness" <altshift@att.net> wrote in message
>> >news:k0025ugiv6qj2l5dn5cickn7t3920duhqh@4ax.com...
>> >> If there are any lonely or des pressed young ladies here and would like
>some
>> >> company or maybe a romantic night out on the down and live in
>Minneapolis,
>> >> drop me an e-mail and I will be glad to make you feel better.
>>
>
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:29:06 -0500, "~*miss kendra*~"
<misskenna17@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Brad Jesness" <altshift@att.net> wrote in message
>news:ku145u8ctpj0gghncr9ud5s2jadpa9vmb3@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:37:17 -0000, "Bishop" <Paul.Harnett@Ntlworld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Things like this worry me greatly.
>>
>> I'm a licensed psychologist. I can deal with lonely and depressed people
>> just fine.
>>
>youre also a REALLY terrible liar...for one..your email address would be
>different, you wouldnt be looking to date potential patients and you would
>speak both without cursing and in a professional and calm manner. (hint:
>attend HUM 101-01 = Perfection of Lies)
Are you stupid or what? Why would I post with e-mail I use for work you
stupid whore? Check Dejanews bitch. I have my work published in numerous
publications.
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:12:03 +0100, "Tweetiebird" <ld025708@pi.be> wrote:
>Me too.... Minneapolis?? No way!
Sorry faggot. I'm not into gay shit with homo's like you.
>"Bishop" <Paul.Harnett@Ntlworld.com> schreef in bericht
>news:i5m48.17340$4i5.2540815@news11-gui.server.ntli.net...
>> Things like this worry me greatly.
>>
>> "Brad Jesness" <altshift@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:k0025ugiv6qj2l5dn5cickn7t3920duhqh@4ax.com...
>> > If there are any lonely or des pressed young ladies here and would like
>> some
>> > company or maybe a romantic night out on the down and live in
>Minneapolis,
>> > drop me an e-mail and I will be glad to make you feel better.
>> >
>>
>>
>
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:31:46 -0500, "~*miss kendra*~"
<misskenna17@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>"Brad Jesness" <altshift@att.net> wrote in message
>news:bv445u0pmvvberbv7q4mvadfah3cqb841n@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:12:03 +0100, "Tweetiebird" <ld025708@pi.be> wrote:
>>
>> >Me too.... Minneapolis?? No way!
>>
>> Sorry f*****. I'm not into gay shit with homo's like you.
>
>id come up with something to reply to this as well, except i dont accept,
>respect nor acknowledge anyone that uses that f word i had to censor. now
>leave us alone, you fucking lonely, unloved, unwanted, worthless, lying,
>abusive, pathetic, ignorant asshole!!
Writes the crack whore here to score free drugs and suck anyone off for a
cheeseburger.
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:46:10 -0000, "Bishop" <Paul.Harnett@Ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>No, u're just into luring little vunerable girls to your pit to do whatever
>u feel with them, people like u should be dead. It's obvious u're not the
>kind of man to help these little girls, especially with such a sour mouth.
>Leave already.
Bite me jizzum-fuck. I made plenty of ladies happy. I have lots of love to
spread around you know what I mean!
>"Brad Jesness" <altshift@att.net> wrote in message
>news:bv445u0pmvvberbv7q4mvadfah3cqb841n@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:12:03 +0100, "Tweetiebird" <ld025708@pi.be> wrote:
>>
>> >Me too.... Minneapolis?? No way!
>>
>> Sorry faggot. I'm not into gay shit with homo's like you.
>>
>> >"Bishop" <Paul.Harnett@Ntlworld.com> schreef in bericht
>> >news:i5m48.17340$4i5.2540815@news11-gui.server.ntli.net...
>> >> Things like this worry me greatly.
>> >>
>> >> "Brad Jesness" <altshift@att.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:k0025ugiv6qj2l5dn5cickn7t3920duhqh@4ax.com...
>> >> > If there are any lonely or des pressed young ladies here and would
>like
>> >> some
>> >> > company or maybe a romantic night out on the down and live in
>> >Minneapolis,
>> >> > drop me an e-mail and I will be glad to make you feel better.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
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Subject:
Re: My Little Web Page
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:34:21 GMT, "fallout" <fallout1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Hello Fellow Depressives,
> It's just me fallout or tom or butthead if it's Miss Kendra calling me.
>i put up a little web page and thought that i would share it with your folks
>'cause i care about you all. When you get time please give it a look. i
>would really love your comments.
> Everyone Take Care and Stay Safe
> fallout
>http://pages.sbcglobal.net/fallout1
Your page sucks. Learn JAVA bitch.
http://home.att.net/~altshift/
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 04:13:18 +0100, "Tweetiebird" <ld025708@pi.be> wrote:
>Hello, you need to push the red button for a cup a' steaming hot Java, yay!
Its better than anything you could ever dream of coming up with.
>Brad, that shitsite of yours is still loading.. Java is history by now in
>website-creating, so I was told... I don't know, but you don't call any of
>my friends a bitch!
I call a bitch a bitch when I see one. Cunt.
>Kendra, hun, what's wrong with me?
>"Brad Jesness" <altshift@att.net> schreef in bericht
>news:kl545uspsjacfrt106tsc15rgn50v42bfo@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:34:21 GMT, "fallout" <fallout1@sbcglobal.net>
>wrote:
>>
>> >Hello Fellow Depressives,
>> > It's just me fallout or tom or butthead if it's Miss Kendra calling
>me.
>> >i put up a little web page and thought that i would share it with your
>folks
>> >'cause i care about you all. When you get time please give it a look. i
>> >would really love your comments.
>> > Everyone Take Care and Stay Safe
>> > fallout
>> >http://pages.sbcglobal.net/fallout1
>>
>> Your page sucks. Learn JAVA bitch.
>>
>> http://home.att.net/~altshift/
>>
>
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
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Subject:
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:57:09 +0100, Johannes M. Richter <psychosos@gmx.at>
wrote:
>>Your page sucks. Learn JAVA bitch.
>>
>>http://home.att.net/~altshift/
>
>Hey, excuse me guy, but could you please please shut up? Thanks.
Stop trying to suck my dick you faggot.
>and by the way, could you please stop using deprecated html tags like
>center?
>f*ck java
You'd fuck anything I here.
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Steve W. AKA thePsyko punk who hangs out with net abusers.
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Well, thePsyko, you have not done your research. You want to pretend
that the personal and libelous FAQ against Brad has no connection to
the psychologists here. BUT, if you do your research, you will see
that the FAQ (in many regards the same) was first posted _to Usenet_
by one Paul Bernhardt (actually it was first posted by an anon coward,
but identified later as connected to sppm ombudsman Paul Bernhardt
-- he was forced to confess).
It was also hosted on Peter Hood's very own web site UNTIL he went
back to grad. school. THEN soon after that, it reappeared on the
abuse domain (lart.com -- now out of business). Yep, just like
Peter Hood (masters from Leicester Univ., England) mailed his "cd
of evidence" to several hoodums, he also turned over the web page to
the know 'Net abuser, Taylor Jimenez (aka Taylor Netscum, and various
other aliases). Taylor hosted it on his lart.com abuse domain, until
he got the boot from the real server owners who would not have his
crap on their servers. Now Taylor Jimenez, the cheapest and stupidest
punk on Usenet, is now hosting Paul and Peter's FAQ on a subdomain of
_databasix.com_ -- another know abuse domain associated with at least
one child molester.
Taylor Jimenez, of Newport Beach CA simply gets his power on the
Internet by spending $25 a month here or there to run abuse domains.
Takes no brains, no sense, and no ethics. Just take money. Taylor
"helps out" in unique ways by buying abuse domain space to help whoever
he wants to. That power turns the sick bastard, Taylor,(now associated
with an abuse domain used by a child molestor) on. "Gee I can do this
big thing, like put up a web page and everyone will bow to me and
think I am cool." This is Jimenez's "thinking," if you can call it
that. "I don't participate in the newsgroup and don't know what is
going on, but I will determine who is an asshole from what I hear and
determine who will have free speech and who won't" (more Jimenez
"thinking") -- such is the great power of a dummy with a little spare
cash who knows how to FTP. Well, I for one, will mention Jimenez
every time "his page" is mentioned. It goes in the archive and in
the existing record on "Taylor" Jimenez -- dummy punk. Taylor
Jimenez is a coward who does nothing for himself and helps out others
when he thinks it will make him look cool. Well, he an the
psychologists simply look like the anon unethical cowards that they are.
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
sppFAQ is the only true FAQ.
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Unlike the in large part false and libelous FAQ against Brad,
hosted on a pervert abuse domain, by "nobody and maintained by nobody"*,
the sppFAQ was written by Brad (yep, he proudly told me so). If it is
false or libelous in any
way, the psychologists could sue him. But, all the involved
psychologists are guilty as sin and are also guilty of libel/slander,
stalking and harassment, or such as that.
*Footnote:
The "nobody" is Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach CA, but in fact
he is too stupid to make his own web page, so turned to another
nobody (Peter Hood, master's forensic psyc, Leicester U. to
make the web page in the first place and whatever other nobodies
were involved in "updating" it). Who knows who taught "Taylor"
Jimenez to use a FAQ sender. That 3 sec. operation might involve
one more step than Taylor can do. The perv-pal can do about one button
press and that is all. Spending a little money here and there is
all fat ass Jimenez can muster -- what most people can do at three
years old.
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
I am not stalking psychologists (<--- the act. stalkers)
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Someone does periodically post a sppFAQ, but just because the
inappropriate behavior on Usenet by psychologists continues and they
continue to use thugs like Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach, CA
to do off-Usenet dirty work for them. No one even brings up the
past or brings up people who do not post here any more EXCEPT to
answer lies presently being recirculated. I am absolutely confident
that if the psychologists here would get 100% on Usenet and stop
bringing up the past themselves or lying, NO ONE would be off-Usenet
OR bringing up people no longer here OR bringing up the past.
I am confident that as soon as people like John Price and Dan Rogers
and Peter Hood (through proxies) stop their nonsense, their sick
psychologist leader of 4 years (the sicko with sick children, who
misguided them and told a mental health client to kill himself) would
never be mentioned again. Already, out of consideration for this
extremely sick psychologist, her name is not mention (except in
quoted posts where they appear -- posts that need to be quoted to
provide REQUESTED evidence). This psychologist is treated kindly.
It is obvious that the only thing Steve W. (aka, thePsyko) could be
considering "stalking" is the mentioning of this sick psychologist.
WELL, I FOR ONE, WANT TO BURY THE PAST. I WANT TO GET CURRENT. I
WANT TO BE ONLY ON USENET. I know that the sick psychologist who
repeated lies in a harassing, stalking and abusive manner against
Brad does not want to be mentioned. Well, she is NOT mentioned
needlessly. No one is going to her local newsgroups and trying to
get her. That would just be people like Taylor Jimenez of Newport
Beach, CA that are doing that sort of illegal stalking and harassing.
Nothing is being done to psychologists here like is done to Brad.
Is ia.general hearing about Dan Rogers? No. Is anyone supporting
Brad doing anything except posting right here? No. Only the
psychologist proxies are indecent hoodlums and committing illegal
activities (and the psychologists do nothing but support it!!!)
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Why don't all you leave me alone?
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I have not posted here in over two years. Just leave me alone.
Quit trying to stalk people and try dealing directly and
appropriately with criticism. Psychologists, as soon as you recognize
and admit that your stalking and harassing behavior
and lies/defamation/threats/slander has been wrong,
the sooner you will (once again) be on the road to mental health
recovery (this would be the "most travelled road" for many of you
sickos).
AND THERE ARE ABOUT 40 OTHER POSTS TO THIS teen support newsgroup
NEED I GO ON. STOP THIS ACTIVITY