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forgeries. OR: If you have an open server, please close it.:
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Was the patient found dead 4 hours, 24 hours or 6 weeks after a therapy
session with Morin?
What was Morin hiding from the police? Why did you want to have gay sex
with him? Do you like gay sex?
=========================================================================
From: Mark Morin (mdmpsyd@hotmail.com)
Date: 2000-12-01
We spoke of his disappointment in me for not being able to help his friend
and concluded with what had become a theme in our sessions--the fact that he
loved me. He was able to learn the transferential component of that love
and he was able to teach me that those feelings are not always "simply"
transference.
The next day I received a phone call from the police to tell me that he had
accidently overdosed (heroine) about 4 hours after talking to me.
From: Mark Morin (mmorin@DELETETHISidt.net)
Date: 1998/08/07
I remember quite fondly my first gay client with whom this happened. He had
called me sorta in crisis--a friend of his was acting real weird and he
wanted me to intervene. For a number of reasons I couldn't and I processed
this with him. I asked if he was angry at me for saying no. In a hushed
voice so that his friend wouldn't here he said, "no, just the reverse--i
love you."
24 hours later I received a call from the police informing me that my client
had accidentaly overdosed.
Homoerotic transference can be very powerful, whether or not the parties are
gay.
...
The reason for the call from the police was to rule out suicide vs homicide
vs accidental overdose. It wasn't a fun experience particularly since they
introduced themselves as the police and asked if I knew X. I was being
evasive as hell and the more evasive I got, the more pushy they got. After
about 20 minutes of going back and forth and them telling me nothing, I
asked outright what was going on. They told
me and added that they had found my number on him and believed it to be
either his dealer or this therapist but didn't know which.
From: Mark Morin (mdmpsyd@hotmail.com)
Date: 2001-01-23
I was working with a young man. Anxiety disorder, hearing voices, long
history of hospitalizations. In our work the issue of sexual orientation
came up.
He was confused in that he liked having sex with women but lately has been
in a relationship with a guy. After a while, all the while accepting who he
was (and informing him that there was something called "bisexual") the
voices went away.
When we were doing the preparatory work for termination he told me that he
loved me. I did all the things the text books talked about--analyzed the
transference, etc. He "bought" it. He even believed part of it. Then he
tells me, "despite
all that 'stuff,' it's still YOU who I love. Who you've been to me, that
you've accepted me for who I am not for who I am 'supposed' to be, yes it is
YOU not my father or other authority figure who I love."
The word "love" is loaded. Threats of impropriety and (legitimate) concerns
with boundaries, etc., I think sometimes keep us from acknowledging that
part of what we feel for out clients/patients is love. Looking back, I
suspect that it was love that created the space where he could heal.
Six weeks after we terminated he got a hold of some bad heroine (as if
there's any good stuff), went into respiratory arrest, and died
==========================================================================
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Lingering questions for Morin and his gay sex fetish.
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Why did Morin keep changing in his story the time of when his patient was
found dead after having gay sex with him?
Did the patient take lethal drug dose just hours after Morin's "love
exchange" with him?
What was Morin hiding from the police, by being more and more evasive?
Will Morin go to Heaven or rot in Hell, having received an absolution from
a supervisor?
=========================================================================
From: Mark Morin (mdmpsyd@hotmail.com)
Date: 2000-12-01
We spoke of his disappointment in me for not being able to help his friend
and concluded with what had become a theme in our sessions--the fact that he
loved me. He was able to learn the transferential component of that love
and he was able to teach me that those feelings are not always "simply"
transference.
The next day I received a phone call from the police to tell me that he had
accidently overdosed (heroine) about 4 hours after talking to me.
<Surprise!>
...
In my case, he had been clean for quite some time. Who knows why he picked
up again that particular night.
<Who knows?....... Perhaps, Morin does!>
I bring this up because I found that event very hard to let go of. It crept
into my personal life and had a significant impact on my ability to stay in
the present.
< Morin loves to shed crocodile tears, feeling sorry for himself.>
Thankfully, I had some good supervisors and friends who happened to be
collegues to help me process and prepare for that contingency.
<Nice arrangement with supervisors! They give Morin an absolution, and next
time they mess up a patient Morin will purge them of their guilt.>
It has come and gone; it could have gone better and it sure as hell could
have gone worse.
<For Morin without a doubt it went pretty well, but for the patient?>
From: Mark Morin (mmorin@DELETETHISidt.net)
Date: 1998/08/07
I bring this up because I found that event very hard to let go of. It crept
into my personal life and had a significant impact on my ability to stay in
the present. I remember quite fondly my first gay client with whom this
happened. He had called me sorta in crisis--a friend of his was acting real
weird and he wanted me to intervene. For a number of reasons I couldn't and
I processed this with him. I asked if he was angry at me for saying no. In
a hushed voice so that his friend wouldn't here he said, "no, just the
reverse--i love you."
24 hours later I received a call from the police informing me that my client
had accidentaly overdosed.
Homoerotic transference can be very powerful, whether or not the parties are
gay.
<Ask John Geoghan about this.>
The reason for the call from the police was to rule out suicide vs homicide
vs accidental overdose. It wasn't a fun experience particularly since they
introduced themselves as the police and asked if I knew X. I was being
evasive as hell and the more evasive I got, the more pushy they got. After
about 20 minutes of going back and forth and them telling me nothing, I
asked outright what was going on. They told me and added that they had
found my number on him and believed it to be either his dealer or this
therapist but didn't know which.
<Sounds, like Morin was covering up his tracks. Was he trying to obstruct
justice to save his skin, by any chance?>
From: Mark Morin (mdmpsyd@hotmail.com)
Date: 2001-01-23
I was working with a young man. Anxiety disorder, hearing voices, long
history of hospitalizations. In our work the issue of sexual orientation
came up.
He was confused in that he liked having sex with women but lately has been
in a relationship with a guy. After a while, all the while accepting who he
was (and informing him that there was something called "bisexual") the
voices went away.
<Was Morin setting a stage for homoerotic transference, he so desired?>
When we were doing the preparatory work for termination he told me that he
loved me. I did all the things the text books talked about--analyzed the
transference, etc. He "bought" it. He even believed part of it. Then he
tells me, "despite all that 'stuff,' it's still YOU who I love. Who you've
been to me, that you've accepted me for who I am not for who I am 'supposed'
to be, yes it is YOU not my father or other authority figure who I love."
Six weeks after we terminated he got a hold of some bad heroine (as if
there's any good stuff), went into respiratory arrest, and died
<So was it six weeks or 4 hours after Morin terminated? Interesting change
of facts...>
=========================================================================
From:
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Subject:
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Brad and the critics of therapy here never used other people
email addresses. They never forged for real like what you
see in the newsgroup now. These posts are in fact out of control
friends of the psychology leaders of this newsgroup. I suspect
Gary Burnore (who has a reputation of being a real forger)
is angry because he is being spanked hard. He helped the
psychologists in this newsgroup our quite a bit and now they will
not defend him. They have in fact never said a kind word about
him since they found out he is a convicted child molester.
Unfortunately other hoodlums directly connected to psychologists
and psychology students
here have been shown to have long-term connections with Gary B.
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still rely on abuse domains and on a convicted child molester,
Gary Burnore, to do their dirty work for them. Virtually all the
anonymous punks who are posting inappropriately to this newsgroup
are either Gary B. himself or long-time abusive Internet and Usenet
people who are pals of his -- such as Taylor Jimenez, who "helped"
psychologists here out for years.
Just for example, in addition to the fact that Gary never denied owning
the server wilhelp runs on but IN FACT indicated HE DID own that server
the following is supporting evidence that indeed Gary Burnore
(owner of databasix) is ultimately also in charge of
wilhelp.com This domain is still being advertised positively
by Kim/Kym Barnard sppm moderator (aka Kali@lart.com and other aliases).
Articles from databasix:
<snipped to save space>
Please stop the user or customer of yours that is making all these
forgeries. OR: If you have an open server, please close it.:
From:
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Subject:
Morin the Moron - SPP hacker punk.
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Was the patient found dead 4 hours, 24 hours or 6 weeks after a therapy
session with Morin?
What was Morin hiding from the police? Why did you want to have gay sex
with him? Do you like gay sex?
=========================================================================
From: Mark Morin (mdmpsyd@hotmail.com)
Date: 2000-12-01
We spoke of his disappointment in me for not being able to help his friend
and concluded with what had become a theme in our sessions--the fact that he
loved me. He was able to learn the transferential component of that love
and he was able to teach me that those feelings are not always "simply"
transference.
The next day I received a phone call from the police to tell me that he had
accidently overdosed (heroine) about 4 hours after talking to me.
From: Mark Morin (mmorin@DELETETHISidt.net)
Date: 1998/08/07
I remember quite fondly my first gay client with whom this happened. He had
called me sorta in crisis--a friend of his was acting real weird and he
wanted me to intervene. For a number of reasons I couldn't and I processed
this with him. I asked if he was angry at me for saying no. In a hushed
voice so that his friend wouldn't here he said, "no, just the reverse--i
love you."
24 hours later I received a call from the police informing me that my client
had accidentaly overdosed.
Homoerotic transference can be very powerful, whether or not the parties are
gay.
...
The reason for the call from the police was to rule out suicide vs homicide
vs accidental overdose. It wasn't a fun experience particularly since they
introduced themselves as the police and asked if I knew X. I was being
evasive as hell and the more evasive I got, the more pushy they got. After
about 20 minutes of going back and forth and them telling me nothing, I
asked outright what was going on. They told
me and added that they had found my number on him and believed it to be
either his dealer or this therapist but didn't know which.
From: Mark Morin (mdmpsyd@hotmail.com)
Date: 2001-01-23
I was working with a young man. Anxiety disorder, hearing voices, long
history of hospitalizations. In our work the issue of sexual orientation
came up.
He was confused in that he liked having sex with women but lately has been
in a relationship with a guy. After a while, all the while accepting who he
was (and informing him that there was something called "bisexual") the
voices went away.
When we were doing the preparatory work for termination he told me that he
loved me. I did all the things the text books talked about--analyzed the
transference, etc. He "bought" it. He even believed part of it. Then he
tells me, "despite
all that 'stuff,' it's still YOU who I love. Who you've been to me, that
you've accepted me for who I am not for who I am 'supposed' to be, yes it is
YOU not my father or other authority figure who I love."
The word "love" is loaded. Threats of impropriety and (legitimate) concerns
with boundaries, etc., I think sometimes keep us from acknowledging that
part of what we feel for out clients/patients is love. Looking back, I
suspect that it was love that created the space where he could heal.
Six weeks after we terminated he got a hold of some bad heroine (as if
there's any good stuff), went into respiratory arrest, and died
==========================================================================
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject:
Lingering questions for Morin and his gay sex fetish.
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Why did Morin keep changing in his story the time of when his patient was
found dead after having gay sex with him?
Did the patient take lethal drug dose just hours after Morin's "love
exchange" with him?
What was Morin hiding from the police, by being more and more evasive?
Will Morin go to Heaven or rot in Hell, having received an absolution from
a supervisor?
=========================================================================
From: Mark Morin (mdmpsyd@hotmail.com)
Date: 2000-12-01
We spoke of his disappointment in me for not being able to help his friend
and concluded with what had become a theme in our sessions--the fact that he
loved me. He was able to learn the transferential component of that love
and he was able to teach me that those feelings are not always "simply"
transference.
The next day I received a phone call from the police to tell me that he had
accidently overdosed (heroine) about 4 hours after talking to me.
<Surprise!>
...
In my case, he had been clean for quite some time. Who knows why he picked
up again that particular night.
<Who knows?....... Perhaps, Morin does!>
I bring this up because I found that event very hard to let go of. It crept
into my personal life and had a significant impact on my ability to stay in
the present.
< Morin loves to shed crocodile tears, feeling sorry for himself.>
Thankfully, I had some good supervisors and friends who happened to be
collegues to help me process and prepare for that contingency.
<Nice arrangement with supervisors! They give Morin an absolution, and next
time they mess up a patient Morin will purge them of their guilt.>
It has come and gone; it could have gone better and it sure as hell could
have gone worse.
<For Morin without a doubt it went pretty well, but for the patient?>
From: Mark Morin (mmorin@DELETETHISidt.net)
Date: 1998/08/07
I bring this up because I found that event very hard to let go of. It crept
into my personal life and had a significant impact on my ability to stay in
the present. I remember quite fondly my first gay client with whom this
happened. He had called me sorta in crisis--a friend of his was acting real
weird and he wanted me to intervene. For a number of reasons I couldn't and
I processed this with him. I asked if he was angry at me for saying no. In
a hushed voice so that his friend wouldn't here he said, "no, just the
reverse--i love you."
24 hours later I received a call from the police informing me that my client
had accidentaly overdosed.
Homoerotic transference can be very powerful, whether or not the parties are
gay.
<Ask John Geoghan about this.>
The reason for the call from the police was to rule out suicide vs homicide
vs accidental overdose. It wasn't a fun experience particularly since they
introduced themselves as the police and asked if I knew X. I was being
evasive as hell and the more evasive I got, the more pushy they got. After
about 20 minutes of going back and forth and them telling me nothing, I
asked outright what was going on. They told me and added that they had
found my number on him and believed it to be either his dealer or this
therapist but didn't know which.
<Sounds, like Morin was covering up his tracks. Was he trying to obstruct
justice to save his skin, by any chance?>
From: Mark Morin (mdmpsyd@hotmail.com)
Date: 2001-01-23
I was working with a young man. Anxiety disorder, hearing voices, long
history of hospitalizations. In our work the issue of sexual orientation
came up.
He was confused in that he liked having sex with women but lately has been
in a relationship with a guy. After a while, all the while accepting who he
was (and informing him that there was something called "bisexual") the
voices went away.
<Was Morin setting a stage for homoerotic transference, he so desired?>
When we were doing the preparatory work for termination he told me that he
loved me. I did all the things the text books talked about--analyzed the
transference, etc. He "bought" it. He even believed part of it. Then he
tells me, "despite all that 'stuff,' it's still YOU who I love. Who you've
been to me, that you've accepted me for who I am not for who I am 'supposed'
to be, yes it is YOU not my father or other authority figure who I love."
Six weeks after we terminated he got a hold of some bad heroine (as if
there's any good stuff), went into respiratory arrest, and died
<So was it six weeks or 4 hours after Morin terminated? Interesting change
of facts...>
=========================================================================
From:
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Newsgroups:
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Subject:
Forgers are psychologists' pals.
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email addresses. They never forged for real like what you
see in the newsgroup now. These posts are in fact out of control
friends of the psychology leaders of this newsgroup. I suspect
Gary Burnore (who has a reputation of being a real forger)
is angry because he is being spanked hard. He helped the
psychologists in this newsgroup our quite a bit and now they will
not defend him. They have in fact never said a kind word about
him since they found out he is a convicted child molester.
Unfortunately other hoodlums directly connected to psychologists
and psychology students
here have been shown to have long-term connections with Gary B.
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still rely on abuse domains and on a convicted child molester,
Gary Burnore, to do their dirty work for them. Virtually all the
anonymous punks who are posting inappropriately to this newsgroup
are either Gary B. himself or long-time abusive Internet and Usenet
people who are pals of his -- such as Taylor Jimenez, who "helped"
psychologists here out for years.
Just for example, in addition to the fact that Gary never denied owning
the server wilhelp runs on but IN FACT indicated HE DID own that server
the following is supporting evidence that indeed Gary Burnore
(owner of databasix) is ultimately also in charge of
wilhelp.com This domain is still being advertised positively
by Kim/Kym Barnard sppm moderator (aka Kali@lart.com and other aliases).
Articles from databasix:
<snipped to save space>
Here is more forgeries and abuse by someone using your server. Please stop
this activity.:
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From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: mn.women
Subject: Any horny women out there?
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:37:14 -0600
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You wanna get it on with a real man in Minneapolis? I can do everything you
know you like. Send some e-mail my way with your size. Plumpies welcome!
More forgeries coming out of your server. Please stop this illegal activity
going on against me OR close your open server:
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
alt.flame, alt.usenet.kooks, alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk
Subject:
Taylor Netscum, Gary B.'s PAL, is Proud of New Car!
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Taylor's new favorite newsgroup is alt.autos.audi since he has
himself a new Audi. He is trying to pretend he is a respectable
person over there (but don't expect to see his posts in google,
since he is always "not on the record" and posting x-no-archive).
Truth is, this perv pal (good friend for years of the convicted
child molester, Gary L. Burnore) finally thinks he's got a source
of pride and a look of respectability.
Please join with me in showing this long-time Usenet punk and
Internet abuser that he indeed has NO RESPECTABILITY!!!!
AND
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject:
Psychologists: Your Pal Burnore is Hurting. (clearly)
Date:
Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:54:28 -0600
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I really think it is sick what psychologists and psychology students
in this newsgroup have done over the years. First, they talked people
out of anonymity with arguments like "show some pride" AND then
proceeded to stalk and harass these very people. Recently a good
person and on-topic poster named PatientofDoctorNightmare was driven
off this newsgroup by harassment (this involved revealing an identity
and then personally stalking and harassing this person). There have
been several other people they did this too (not only Brad) -- examples
include Erebus and others).
Now, Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach CA after learning of an email
address of one of these victims of the psychologists has proceeded
to get his pals to forge. Taylor Jimenez not only knowingly uses
the services of a convicted child molester but he does so for the
psychologists in this newsgroup. Moreover he has served psychologists
in this newsgroup for years, hosting FOR YEARS a web site written
by Paul Bernhardt (sppm ombudsman) and by Peter Hood, masters degree in
forensic psychology from Leicester Univ., U.K.
Psychologists in this newsgroup have a SIX year history of inappropriate
behavior and abuse. There is no excuse for it ever and there certainly
was no excuse for it when it began. Here is what the evidence shows:
Psychologists simply have done everything possible to drive people with
certain views of this newsgroup. While they themselves do not forge,
people they solicited to help them DO. Gary Burnore now is the prime
forging suspect, NOW even mad at his psychologist pals because they will
not say a kind word about him. He has a reputation for forgeries. A
sys admin has told us this and I believe him.
Gary Burnore is a pathetic loser and a child molester yet a major
support of psychologists here. Why has they foresaken him now??
Hmmmm, I wonder. Unfortunately there is no denying a direct relationship
between psychologists and psychology students and Taylor Jimenez and no
denying a direct connection between Taylor Jimenez and the convicted
child molester, Gary L. Burnore.
Earlier someone correctly said:
> Brad and the critics of therapy here never used other people
> email addresses. They never forged for real like what you
> see in the newsgroup now. These posts are in fact out of control
> friends of the psychology leaders of this newsgroup. I suspect
> Gary Burnore (who has a reputation of being a real forger)
> is angry because he is being spanked hard. He helped the
> psychologists in this newsgroup out quite a bit and now they will
> not defend him. They have in fact never said a kind word about
> him since they found out he is a convicted child molester.
>
> Unfortunately other hoodlums directly connected to psychologists
> and psychology students
> here have been shown to have long-term connections with Gary B.
All I have sent you are forgeries. I never post using my name or address
to Usenet. I have now sent you dozens of forgeries. Please stop this or
legal action may be taken
Another forgery:
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.2600,mn.general,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: "Taylor" Netscum Jimenez likes to have gay sex with Databasix.
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"Just Taylor" Jimenez, never on record and never accountable, posts
using the services of databasix.com run by his perv pal and
convicted child molester, Gary L. Burnore Here are some highlights
of Burnore's record:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
So that the punk Jimenez of Newport Beach, CA is on record, here
is again the sort of shit he posts:
From:
Just Taylor <taylor@wilhelp.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.hackers.malicious
Subject:
Re: Now here is someone that just screams stupid.
Date:
Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:16:21 -0800
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:31:03 -0400, ExecutoR <ExecutoR@fuckMicrosoft.com>
wrote:
>Just Taylor <taylor@wilhelp.com> lurking in alt.hackers.malicious on
>or about Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:09:52 -0800, tapped out the following
>message:
>
>>Now here is someone for you guys to have fun with. It appears I have got
>>the attention of one Steven Lee, hacker-for-hire.... It seems that Steven
>>has hacked into the vault of hell-flame-wars.org and will do what RtS or
>>Brad Jesness could never do.... take my money!
>>
>>So I will be thoroughly disappointed to find out that nobody from AUK or AHM
>>takes advantage of the little present I'm leaving you all....
>>
>>>X-Persona: <Lart.Com>
>>>Return-Path: <cgiorder@yahoo.com>
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>>>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:30:47 +0200
>>>Message-Id: <200201220230.g0M2UfV29335@lin01.mdsarch.co.za>
>>>To: <abuse@hell-flame-wars.org>
>>>From: <cgiorder@yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: I Hack Into Your Paypal Account!
>>>Status:
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>My name Steven Lee. I am a programmer and the best.
>>>I can hack into any Paypal order form and get
>>>membership for free. If you no believe me see my
>>>site http://myfriend4ever.com/freehit/index.cgi
>>>
>>>I hack into big sites and offer their membership
>>>free! You better watch out because I do the same
>>>to you!
>>>
>>>Better idea you give me $50. to my Paypal account
>>>at steven@abc-search.com and I give you code to stop
>>>hacker like me.
>>>
>>>If you no believe I real see my sites. I am real
>>>programmer and real business man.
>>>
>>>http://myfriend4ever.com/freehit/index.cgi
>>>http://www.eshop.gs/
>>>http://www.abc-search.com
>>>
>>>Give me money now and I no steal from your site
>>>and give you secret programmer code to stop hacker.
>>>
>>>Give me money to my Paypal account at steven@abc-search.com
>>>$50.
>>>
>>>
>>>Steven Lee
>>>Block A, Flat 13, 5th Floor, 7-11 Sha Kok Street
>>>Shatin, Kowloon Hong Kong
>>>Hong Kong
>
>You're afeared of this *hacker* and want someone from AUK or AHM to
>get him off your back, is that it?
No Excreter, I am fulfilling my kook quota contract with AUK and thought AHM
would like to have a little fun. That was a mistake though.... "Steven Lee"
is in a bigger league than you. After all "Steven" didn't try fax'n his
order.
>I am real hacker to take your account if you no give me money too.
From what I hear you have trouble hacking stuck toilet paper out of your
ass.
--
Taylor
AND
From:
Just Taylor <taylor@wilhelp.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.hackers.malicious
Subject:
Re: Now here is someone that just screams stupid.
Date:
Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:16:21 -0800
Organization:
DataBasix - The one you love to hate.
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:31:03 -0400, ExecutoR <ExecutoR@fuckMicrosoft.com>
wrote:
>Just Taylor <taylor@wilhelp.com> lurking in alt.hackers.malicious on
>or about Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:09:52 -0800, tapped out the following
>message:
>
>>Now here is someone for you guys to have fun with. It appears I have got
>>the attention of one Steven Lee, hacker-for-hire.... It seems that Steven
>>has hacked into the vault of hell-flame-wars.org and will do what RtS or
>>Brad Jesness could never do.... take my money!
>>
>>So I will be thoroughly disappointed to find out that nobody from AUK or AHM
>>takes advantage of the little present I'm leaving you all....
>>
>>>X-Persona: <Lart.Com>
>>>Return-Path: <cgiorder@yahoo.com>
>>>Received: from lin01.mdsarch.co.za (IDENT:root@[196.37.112.60])
>>> by westhost29.westhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0M2KrQ14168
>>> for <abuse@hell-flame-wars.org>; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:20:55 -0600
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>>> for abuse@hell-flame-wars.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:30:47 +0200
>>>Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:30:47 +0200
>>>Message-Id: <200201220230.g0M2UfV29335@lin01.mdsarch.co.za>
>>>To: <abuse@hell-flame-wars.org>
>>>From: <cgiorder@yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: I Hack Into Your Paypal Account!
>>>Status:
>>>
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>My name Steven Lee. I am a programmer and the best.
>>>I can hack into any Paypal order form and get
>>>membership for free. If you no believe me see my
>>>site http://myfriend4ever.com/freehit/index.cgi
>>>
>>>I hack into big sites and offer their membership
>>>free! You better watch out because I do the same
>>>to you!
>>>
>>>Better idea you give me $50. to my Paypal account
>>>at steven@abc-search.com and I give you code to stop
>>>hacker like me.
>>>
>>>If you no believe I real see my sites. I am real
>>>programmer and real business man.
>>>
>>>http://myfriend4ever.com/freehit/index.cgi
>>>http://www.eshop.gs/
>>>http://www.abc-search.com
>>>
>>>Give me money now and I no steal from your site
>>>and give you secret programmer code to stop hacker.
>>>
>>>Give me money to my Paypal account at steven@abc-search.com
>>>$50.
>>>
>>>
>>>Steven Lee
>>>Block A, Flat 13, 5th Floor, 7-11 Sha Kok Street
>>>Shatin, Kowloon Hong Kong
>>>Hong Kong
>
>You're afeared of this *hacker* and want someone from AUK or AHM to
>get him off your back, is that it?
No Excreter, I am fulfilling my kook quota contract with AUK and thought AHM
would like to have a little fun. That was a mistake though.... "Steven Lee"
is in a bigger league than you. After all "Steven" didn't try fax'n his
order.
>I am real hacker to take your account if you no give me money too.
From what I hear you have trouble hacking stuck toilet paper out of your
ass.
--
Taylor
Listen, you have a customer forging me. I did not make any of the posts
below, they are all forgeries out of your server. Get it stopped..
Another set of forgeries is on the way (one email can hold only so many).
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject:
Steve W. AKA thePsyko punk who hangs out with net abusers.
Followup-To:
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Date:
Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:58:34 -0600
Organization:
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Well, thePsyko, you have not done your research. You want to pretend
that the personal and libelous FAQ against Brad has no connection to
the psychologists here. BUT, if you do your research, you will see
that the FAQ (in many regards the same) was first posted _to Usenet_
by one Paul Bernhardt (actually it was first posted by an anon coward,
but identified later as connected to sppm ombudsman Paul Bernhardt
-- he was forced to confess).
It was also hosted on Peter Hood's very own web site UNTIL he went
back to grad. school. THEN soon after that, it reappeared on the
abuse domain (lart.com -- now out of business). Yep, just like
Peter Hood (masters from Leicester Univ., England) mailed his "cd
of evidence" to several hoodums, he also turned over the web page to
the know 'Net abuser, Taylor Jimenez (aka Taylor Netscum, and various
other aliases). Taylor hosted it on his lart.com abuse domain, until
he got the boot from the real server owners who would not have his
crap on their servers. Now Taylor Jimenez, the cheapest and stupidest
punk on Usenet, is now hosting Paul and Peter's FAQ on a subdomain of
_databasix.com_ -- another know abuse domain associated with at least
one child molester.
Taylor Jimenez, of Newport Beach CA simply gets his power on the
Internet by spending $25 a month here or there to run abuse domains.
Takes no brains, no sense, and no ethics. Just take money. Taylor
"helps out" in unique ways by buying abuse domain space to help whoever
he wants to. That power turns the sick bastard, Taylor,(now associated
with an abuse domain used by a child molestor) on. "Gee I can do this
big thing, like put up a web page and everyone will bow to me and
think I am cool." This is Jimenez's "thinking," if you can call it
that. "I don't participate in the newsgroup and don't know what is
going on, but I will determine who is an asshole from what I hear and
determine who will have free speech and who won't" (more Jimenez
"thinking") -- such is the great power of a dummy with a little spare
cash who knows how to FTP. Well, I for one, will mention Jimenez
every time "his page" is mentioned. It goes in the archive and in
the existing record on "Taylor" Jimenez -- dummy punk. Taylor
Jimenez is a coward who does nothing for himself and helps out others
when he thinks it will make him look cool. Well, he an the
psychologists simply look like the anon unethical cowards that they are.
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject:
sppFAQ is the only true FAQ.
Followup-To:
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Unlike the in large part false and libelous FAQ against Brad,
hosted on a pervert abuse domain, by "nobody and maintained by nobody"*,
the sppFAQ was written by Brad (yep, he proudly told me so). If it is
false or libelous in any
way, the psychologists could sue him. But, all the involved
psychologists are guilty as sin and are also guilty of libel/slander,
stalking and harassment, or such as that.
*Footnote:
The "nobody" is Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach CA, but in fact
he is too stupid to make his own web page, so turned to another
nobody (Peter Hood, master's forensic psyc, Leicester U. to
make the web page in the first place and whatever other nobodies
were involved in "updating" it). Who knows who taught "Taylor"
Jimenez to use a FAQ sender. That 3 sec. operation might involve
one more step than Taylor can do. The perv-pal can do about one button
press and that is all. Spending a little money here and there is
all fat ass Jimenez can muster -- what most people can do at three
years old.
From:
Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups:
sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject:
I am not stalking psychologists (<--- the act. stalkers)
Followup-To:
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Someone does periodically post a sppFAQ, but just because the
inappropriate behavior on Usenet by psychologists continues and they
continue to use thugs like Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach, CA
to do off-Usenet dirty work for them. No one even brings up the
past or brings up people who do not post here any more EXCEPT to
answer lies presently being recirculated. I am absolutely confident
that if the psychologists here would get 100% on Usenet and stop
bringing up the past themselves or lying, NO ONE would be off-Usenet
OR bringing up people no longer here OR bringing up the past.
I am confident that as soon as people like John Price and Dan Rogers
and Peter Hood (through proxies) stop their nonsense, their sick
psychologist leader of 4 years (the sicko with sick children, who
misguided them and told a mental health client to kill himself) would
never be mentioned again. Already, out of consideration for this
extremely sick psychologist, her name is not mention (except in
quoted posts where they appear -- posts that need to be quoted to
provide REQUESTED evidence). This psychologist is treated kindly.
It is obvious that the only thing Steve W. (aka, thePsyko) could be
considering "stalking" is the mentioning of this sick psychologist.
WELL, I FOR ONE, WANT TO BURY THE PAST. I WANT TO GET CURRENT. I
WANT TO BE ONLY ON USENET. I know that the sick psychologist who
repeated lies in a harassing, stalking and abusive manner against
Brad does not want to be mentioned. Well, she is NOT mentioned
needlessly. No one is going to her local newsgroups and trying to
get her. That would just be people like Taylor Jimenez of Newport
Beach, CA that are doing that sort of illegal stalking and harassing.
Nothing is being done to psychologists here like is done to Brad.
Is ia.general hearing about Dan Rogers? No. Is anyone supporting
Brad doing anything except posting right here? No. Only the
psychologist proxies are indecent hoodlums and committing illegal
activities (and the psychologists do nothing but support it!!!)
From:
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Subject:
Why don't all you leave me alone?
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I have not posted here in over two years. Just leave me alone.
Quit trying to stalk people and try dealing directly and
appropriately with criticism. Psychologists, as soon as you recognize
and admit that your stalking and harassing behavior
and lies/defamation/threats/slander has been wrong,
the sooner you will (once again) be on the road to mental health
recovery (this would be the "most travelled road" for many of you
sickos).
From:
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Subject:
The only other sppm moderator.
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The only sppm moderator not connected with lies, hoodlums, or unethical
or illegal activity posts anonymously as Pogo Possum to the sppm
moderated newsgroup. She is apparently too ashamed to be identified
with the other psychologist scum who run that censored newsgroup!!!
From:
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Subject:
On other present abuses. (and Erebus is not Curio)
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There is no connection between Erebus and Curio, since they are 2
separate people. P.S. I see that the "friends" of psychologists
here are again hosting their libelous and in large part false web
site against Brad on yet another abuse domain. Lart.com got booted,
because the server owners recognized the abuse and illegal activity
going on against Brad on that abuse domain. Now the punks (including
mosts psychologists here) are
using a SUBdomain called wilhelp.com. This domain is under the
administration of the VERY WELL KNOWN __databasix.com___ abuse domain.
databasix.com has been linked to several abusive posters, one of whom
is a convicted child molester. This is the domain the psychologist
now use as their "friend"!!! Since Paul Bernhardt (sppm ombudsman) and
Peter Hood (masters in forensic psychology from Leicester U., England)
***wrote*** the FAQ , I WONDER WHY THEY DON'T HOST IT ANYMORE. Answer:
They do not host abusive and libelous web pages ANYMORE because they
are seeking respectability in the field of psychology!!!!!!!
(Think of this each time you see the wilhelp.com site hosting the
FAQ against Brad mentioned).
P.P.S. Is the punk hoodlum flooding minnesota newsgroups with posts
completely FORGING the name and email address of Brad also posting
here as an anon coward? I suppose he must be since he is breaking the
law!!!! Only the "friends" of the psychologists commit illegal acts
AND THE PSYCHOLOGISTS HERE HAVE NEVER SPOKEN OUT AGAINST THEM AND IN
FACTED HAVE ENCOURAGED AND LAUGHED WITH AND COURTED THE HOODLUMS!!!
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There is no connection between Erebus and Curio, since they are 2
separate people. P.S. I see that the "friends" of psychologists
here are again hosting their libelous and in large part false web
site against Brad on yet another abuse domain. Lart.com got booted,
because the server owners recognized the abuse and illegal activity
going on against Brad on that abuse domain. Now the punks (including
mosts psychologists here) are
using a SUBdomain called wilhelp.com. This domain is under the
administration of the VERY WELL KNOWN __databasix.com___ abuse domain.
databasix.com has been linked to several abusive posters, one of whom
is a convicted child molester. This is the domain the psychologist
now use as their "friend"!!! Since Paul Bernhardt (sppm ombudsman) and
Peter Hood (masters in forensic psychology from Leicester U., England)
***wrote*** the FAQ , I WONDER WHY THEY DON'T HOST IT ANYMORE. Answer:
They do not host abusive and libelous web pages ANYMORE because they
are seeking respectability in the field of psychology!!!!!!!
(Think of this each time you see the wilhelp.com site hosting the
FAQ against Brad mentioned).
P.P.S. Is the punk hoodlum flooding minnesota newsgroups with posts
completely FORGING the name and email address of Brad also posting
here as an anon coward? I suppose he must be since he is breaking the
law!!!! Only the "friends" of the psychologists commit illegal acts
AND THE PSYCHOLOGISTS HERE HAVE NEVER SPOKEN OUT AGAINST THEM AND IN
FACTED HAVE ENCOURAGED AND LAUGHED WITH AND COURTED THE HOODLUMS!!!
From:
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Subject:
Abusive psychologists: All Peter Hoods PLEASE sound off!
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All of the following 4 sppm moderators, and virtually all other
psychologists who regularly participate (or participated) in the spp
newsgroup,
gave themselves Peter Hood numbers (PH#). They did this AFTER Peter
Hood threatened physical assault a number of times and after he
expressly threatened illegal actions AGAINST a poster who was thought to
be "the enemy" of the psychologists here. (The reason the poster was
the enemy was because he was revealing facts about the psychotherapy
field the psychologists want silenced.) So, would the following
please once again declare their Peter Hood numbers?:
John M. Price, Ph.D., sppm moderator
Dan L. Rogers, Ph.D., sppm moderator and practicing psychologist
Mark Morin, Psy.D., sppm moderator and practicing psychologist
Kim Barnard (aka Kali, associated with lart.com, a now defunct
abuse domain) -- another sppm moderator and psychology student
Arco and Snyder could also report their peter hood numbers, as could
several other regularly participating psychologists here!! The person
who started the Peter Hood fan club is no longer here, but is the sicko
who guided her sick children to vote for people as kooks and she
is an acknowledged pal of several of the worst hoodlums on Usenet,
including "Yomamma bin Crawdaden" <Crawdad@bayou.com>!!!
From:
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Dan Rogers is a bitch.
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Read it again Dan Rogers. The following (hereon is a post from Erebus
**quoted**) clearly shows that the leader psychologist in this
newsgroup at the time, one unethical Dr. Leslie Packer of NY, indeed
did tell EREBUS (aka TOR) to "blow his brains out" and TOR was well
known to be a mental health client. (Your lies and deception,
are very sick, 'Dr.' Dan Rogers.) Keep in mind that all of the
following is a quote of just one post by Erebus (see top header):
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist"
Date: 1999/06/18
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For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor
the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry
affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my
forum, by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to
make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return,
Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic,
because that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer
unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship
is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now
calling me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in
the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my
therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a
credit to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself --
her full
post is included:
Subject: Re: Gone for a while....
Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette
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>From: lpacker@optonline.net (lpacker)
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:09:06 GMT
>Message-ID: <3769a528.84314742@news.erols.com>
(Snip)
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
Meanwhile, someone I know has just moved to hospice, and probably won't
make it
through the weekend. He successfully kept 2 forms of rare cancer in
check for
10 years, but a third one came out of nowhere. This war hero, who was
the only
survivor of his ship, put up an amazing battle. A good man, I'm really
going to
miss him.
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame
Well, just have to mix a on topic post with some of the latest MI
Stigmatizing
langauge. What makes this unexcusable is that Leslie's a
psychotherapist, who
has direct contact with the MH population.
Yeah, and the TS folks here just support having their kids ridiculed as
a
"loon," "kook," "Frankenstein," "garbage," "crazy," and other slurs.
Should've thought about it Leslie when you rode that NAMI CONSUMER
ADVOCATE
lie, back in October / November (folks just read it for yourself). Was
funny
then to you, until recently the person in question was caught fudging
by the
very same folks she was threatening 3 lawsuits against. These are your
friends,
Leslie. You tried to keep it a secret over here, but when you make
veiled
threats of trying to spam NGs I frequent, don't cry foul when I report
your
behaviour to the NG YOU frequent. I have a right to defend myself from
such
harassment, and you should've known not to make such veiled threats in
light of
the crap that occurred to me recently.
What's criminal is that you support folks who tell a MH Consumer with
past SI
behaviours to FOAD, and now YOU asking to blow my brains out. That's a
serious
lapse of professional ethics.
This is your TS "leader" folks in it's full light.
>well, you folks in a.s.t. have enough knowledge
>of me to realize that they are making assertions but wisely do not
>even try to post message IDs and full contexts as the truth does not
>support their paranoid ideation and defamatory comments.
Well, Leslie you purposely deleted AST from the crosspost to post a
veiled
threat to me, thinking it'll go nowhere. Sorry, after what Rauni and
crew have
done on and offline, I will repost their's and your's crap that is
abusive. I
will not be your "victim," nor tolerate your MH Stigmatizing ways.
Oh, you don't want me to post full details, or this NG would be flooded
with
the *truth* about you. Love for you to complain to AOL once they
preview that
crap.
I don't complain to ISPs, and offline until I'm personally attacked,
Leslie.
When there's a clear boundary crossing, I will. And the thing is folks
listen,
because I don't abuse the system with complaints, and I'll provide them
the
COMPLETE references -- no packets, no snippets.
AOL and other ISPs must have a log about you by now. Constant
complainers are
treated like uninvited salespeople, if you didn't know. But thanks for
complaining to AOL.
>To
>paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," they can't handle the
>truth when it doesn't match their fervently held beliefs and agendas.
>I was and am scientifically conservative
Too bad Leslie that you used that character as an example -- he was the
CO in
charge of his men, and allowed "red alerts" (hazing of Marines who
didn't abeit
by social conventions of a particular unit -- which is illegal by the
Military
code of justice). Thanks for letting folks know what you think is
"right" and
"ethical."
Don't believe me, rent the video yourself.
Again, I have absolutely no agendas, Leslie. I just report my direct
experience, or what I've seen, read or know personally.
It's fervent when you try to hurt another. I called your marker, and
it's
because you crossed both professional and personal ethical boundaries.
>-- I do the same in spp that
>I do here, which is to protest when people make sweeping statements
>that go beyond what the research supports.
Stigmatizing folks, and then making veiled threats isn't protesting,
it's
abuse.
There's plenty of direct experience out there about CSA as being
horrid, but
you don't want Survivors to speak up or out about it. How about your TS
clients?? Do you just allow those who agree with *your* views to have
any say
here and elsewhere? You just shown here recently you're a censor. What
else are
you trying to hush up?
You complain about my character, Leslie, so if the shoe fits wear it
yourself.
>Because I have held true
>to that conservatism, they have tried to brand me a pedophile, a
>pedophile supporter, and God knows what else.
You're actions speak of you being a pedophile supporter, Leslie. You
don't like
that, but look at the evidence. Whenever someone posts something about
CSA that
disagrees with some FMSF and NAMBLA agenda, your friends and you come
out to
denounce it. Even though there's thousands of pure scientifically
conducted
studies that show CSA is harmful, you want so desperately to cling onto
some
meta-analysis, or some other non-peer reviewed study to support that
raping
kids isn't harmful. No child asks to be raped -- none, zip, zero.
A pedophile (and their supporters) try to excuse it by bad "science,"
state
that a child wants to be raped (they just hate that word "rape," it's
only
"love" to them when they tear the insides out of a child, emotionally
and
physically), and that it's the child who came onto them -- which makes
it's
justifiable to them. Nevermind self-control. Then there's a whole other
agenda
of trying to legalize (the NAMBLA line) pedophilia to make these perps
get away
with harming more kids.
I'm a Survivor, Leslie, you can try to fool others but you will never
full
someone who's lived through it. It was wrong then, a child FEELS it's
wrong,
and it's wrong today.
>When they don't have
>the facts,
I'm a walking experience of fact. So are thousands of other Survivors
of abuse.
They know directly the effects of it, something no one else does. It's
like
trying to explain the daily life of TS to the very same doctors I've
read on
this NG. No one would understand more than the population that's
affected by a
condition.
>they resort to such innuendo and name-calling and attempts
>to smear character.
No Leslie that's your tactics -- it's YOU who started with the
Stigmatizing
line, ran off to AOL to censor, *and* made a veiled threat to spam not
only
Usenet NGs where I visit, but my own BPD forum. That's the facts,
Leslie.
>Unfortunately for them, I don't back off.
Same with me. Attack me, and folks will know about it. Don't attack me,
and I
won't need to post about you.
> I
>will not let them use pseudoscience or bastardize science to serve
>their moral agendas -- even if I agree with them on the moral issue.
I don't NEED science to prove to me that CSA is harmful, I'm living
proof of
it! You'd cry out about my BPD symptoms, but fail to see that a lot of
Borderlines are victims of abuse. As well as MPD/DIDs. We're walking
testimonials of how abuse messes with one's mind, and how it leaves a
legacy
years on down the road. YOU don't want to admit it, but go on with this
"pseudoscience" crap to try to discount Survivors of their OWN
feelings, and
experiences.
Read the hard numbers, Leslie, and how many of the MI have experienced
abuse.
That's a shockingly high number, and no one can refute that abuse is
harmful
with such numbers -- except for folks who in fact who use
"pseudoscience" to
debunk legitamate studies with thousands of subjects.
Meta-analysis is previewing other studies and rounding up the
statistics, it's
not conducting a study with human controls from the conception to the
final
review.
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845
Leslie, my nick is TOR, and you just tried to make a slur because
Erebus just
matches your perceptions of me. Tell the audience what EREBUS1845
means, okay?
No? Well, I will. It's a name of Sir John Franklin's 1845-1848 Northwest
Passage Expedition flag ship. The same ship that sailed to Anarctica,
under
Ross, and where Mount Erebus was named after. You wish to use it as
it's more
sinister meaning, as what Price and his flock like to call, "the little
lord of
darkness." You folks play word games to try to misconceive the public,
and I
just busted another of your misconceptions you tried to weasle through.
>I don't have time to show you up
>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons
Hey, Leslie in case you didn't know, that's a NAMBLA trademark line.
That's how
folks know FMSF and NAMBLA "dead agents" are on NGs.
"Paranoid loons," very professional online Dxing from a
"psychotherapist."
>you are, as I've got to take
>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>
>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>You're both a hazard to kids.
>
Again shows the world how messed up psychologically you are, Leslie.
That's God
awful references. But thanks for putting it on the record in case AOL
and your
ISP needs to be notified.
Play games and it backfires. Go offline to harass, and you will be
called for
what you are. Make veiled threats (and now since Leslie has stated that
I kill
myself, is no longer a veiled threat), you only make yourself the fool
now.
I didn't have to do anything, Leslie, you discredit yourself with your
very own
words.
[Full post below for the public record]...
>Subject: Gone for a while....
>Path:
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>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
>
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame -- well, you folks in a.s.t. have enough knowledge
>of me to realize that they are making assertions but wisely do not
>even try to post message IDs and full contexts as the truth does not
>support their paranoid ideation and defamatory comments. To
>paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," they can't handle the
>truth when it doesn't match their fervently held beliefs and agendas.
>I was and am scientifically conservative -- I do the same in spp that
>I do here, which is to protest when people make sweeping statements
>that go beyond what the research supports. Because I have held true
>to that conservatism, they have tried to brand me a pedophile, a
>pedophile supporter, and God knows what else. When they don't have
>the facts, they resort to such innuendo and name-calling and attempts
>to smear character. Unfortunately for them, I don't back off. I
>will not let them use pseudoscience or bastardize science to serve
>their moral agendas -- even if I agree with them on the moral issue.
>
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845 -- I don't have time to show you up
>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons you are, as I've got to take
>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>
>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>You're both a hazard to kids.
>
>Leslie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Let's see how many SPP practicing psychotherapists, academic
psychologists, and
psych students rationalize this behaviour as appropriate, "off duty,"
or you
"YOU DESERVE IT!!"
This should be a lesson to all psych folks out there (and MH Consumers)
what a
psychotherapist should not do in practice, nor speak about it public.
It goes
against everything a psych professional stands for, and what MH
Consumers don't
need/want in their Tx staff -- that a fact.
TOR
Consumer Advocate
--
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[ This is a repost of the following article:
]
[ From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
]
[ Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist" ]
[ Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
]
[ Message-ID: <19990618131936.01986.00001151@ng-cc1.aol.com>
]
For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor
the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry
affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my
forum, by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to
make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return,
Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic,
because that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer
unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship
is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now
calling me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in
the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my
therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a
credit to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself --
her full
post is included:
Subject: Re: Gone for a while....
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>From: lpacker@optonline.net (lpacker)
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:09:06 GMT
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(Snip)
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
Meanwhile, someone I know has just moved to hospice, and probably won't
make it
through the weekend. He successfully kept 2 forms of rare cancer in
check for
10 years, but a third one came out of nowhere. This war hero, who was
the only
survivor of his ship, put up an amazing battle. A good man, I'm really
going to
miss him.
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame
Well, just have to mix a on topic post with some of the latest MI
Stigmatizing
langauge. What makes this unexcusable is that Leslie's a
psychotherapist, who
has direct contact with the MH population.
Yeah, and the TS folks here just support having their kids ridiculed as
a
"loon," "kook," "Frankenstein," "garbage," "crazy," and other slurs.
Should've thought about it Leslie when you rode that NAMI CONSUMER
ADVOCATE
lie, back in October / November (folks just read it for yourself). Was
funny
then to you, until recently the person in question was caught fudging
by the
very same folks she was threatening 3 lawsuits against. These are your
friends,
Leslie. You tried to keep it a secret over here, but when you make
veiled
threats of trying to spam NGs I frequent, don't cry foul when I report
your
behaviour to the NG YOU frequent. I have a right to defend myself from
such
harassment, and you should've known not to make such veiled threats in
light of
the crap that occurred to me recently.
What's criminal is that you support folks who tell a MH Consumer with
past SI
behaviours to FOAD, and now YOU asking to blow my brains out. That's a
serious
lapse of professional ethics.
This is your TS "leader" folks in it's full light.
>well, you folks in a.s.t. have enough knowledge
>of me to realize that they are making assertions but wisely do not
>even try to post message IDs and full contexts as the truth does not
>support their paranoid ideation and defamatory comments.
Well, Leslie you purposely deleted AST from the crosspost to post a
veiled
threat to me, thinking it'll go nowhere. Sorry, after what Rauni and
crew have
done on and offline, I will repost their's and your's crap that is
abusive. I
will not be your "victim," nor tolerate your MH Stigmatizing ways.
Oh, you don't want me to post full details, or this NG would be flooded
with
the *truth* about you. Love for you to complain to AOL once they
preview that
crap.
I don't complain to ISPs, and offline until I'm personally attacked,
Leslie.
When there's a clear boundary crossing, I will. And the thing is folks
listen,
because I don't abuse the system with complaints, and I'll provide them
the
COMPLETE references -- no packets, no snippets.
AOL and other ISPs must have a log about you by now. Constant
complainers are
treated like uninvited salespeople, if you didn't know. But thanks for
complaining to AOL.
>To
>paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," they can't handle the
>truth when it doesn't match their fervently held beliefs and agendas.
>I was and am scientifically conservative
Too bad Leslie that you used that character as an example -- he was the
CO in
charge of his men, and allowed "red alerts" (hazing of Marines who
didn't abeit
by social conventions of a particular unit -- which is illegal by the
Military
code of justice). Thanks for letting folks know what you think is
"right" and
"ethical."
Don't believe me, rent the video yourself.
Again, I have absolutely no agendas, Leslie. I just report my direct
experience, or what I've seen, read or know personally.
It's fervent when you try to hurt another. I called your marker, and
it's
because you crossed both professional and personal ethical boundaries.
>-- I do the same in spp that
>I do here, which is to protest when people make sweeping statements
>that go beyond what the research supports.
Stigmatizing folks, and then making veiled threats isn't protesting,
it's
abuse.
There's plenty of direct experience out there about CSA as being
horrid, but
you don't want Survivors to speak up or out about it. How about your TS
clients?? Do you just allow those who agree with *your* views to have
any say
here and elsewhere? You just shown here recently you're a censor. What
else are
you trying to hush up?
You complain about my character, Leslie, so if the shoe fits wear it
yourself.
>Because I have held true
>to that conservatism, they have tried to brand me a pedophile, a
>pedophile supporter, and God knows what else.
You're actions speak of you being a pedophile supporter, Leslie. You
don't like
that, but look at the evidence. Whenever someone posts something about
CSA that
disagrees with some FMSF and NAMBLA agenda, your friends and you come
out to
denounce it. Even though there's thousands of pure scientifically
conducted
studies that show CSA is harmful, you want so desperately to cling onto
some
meta-analysis, or some other non-peer reviewed study to support that
raping
kids isn't harmful. No child asks to be raped -- none, zip, zero.
A pedophile (and their supporters) try to excuse it by bad "science,"
state
that a child wants to be raped (they just hate that word "rape," it's
only
"love" to them when they tear the insides out of a child, emotionally
and
physically), and that it's the child who came onto them -- which makes
it's
justifiable to them. Nevermind self-control. Then there's a whole other
agenda
of trying to legalize (the NAMBLA line) pedophilia to make these perps
get away
with harming more kids.
I'm a Survivor, Leslie, you can try to fool others but you will never
full
someone who's lived through it. It was wrong then, a child FEELS it's
wrong,
and it's wrong today.
>When they don't have
>the facts,
I'm a walking experience of fact. So are thousands of other Survivors
of abuse.
They know directly the effects of it, something no one else does. It's
like
trying to explain the daily life of TS to the very same doctors I've
read on
this NG. No one would understand more than the population that's
affected by a
condition.
>they resort to such innuendo and name-calling and attempts
>to smear character.
No Leslie that's your tactics -- it's YOU who started with the
Stigmatizing
line, ran off to AOL to censor, *and* made a veiled threat to spam not
only
Usenet NGs where I visit, but my own BPD forum. That's the facts,
Leslie.
>Unfortunately for them, I don't back off.
Same with me. Attack me, and folks will know about it. Don't attack me,
and I
won't need to post about you.
> I
>will not let them use pseudoscience or bastardize science to serve
>their moral agendas -- even if I agree with them on the moral issue.
I don't NEED science to prove to me that CSA is harmful, I'm living
proof of
it! You'd cry out about my BPD symptoms, but fail to see that a lot of
Borderlines are victims of abuse. As well as MPD/DIDs. We're walking
testimonials of how abuse messes with one's mind, and how it leaves a
legacy
years on down the road. YOU don't want to admit it, but go on with this
"pseudoscience" crap to try to discount Survivors of their OWN
feelings, and
experiences.
Read the hard numbers, Leslie, and how many of the MI have experienced
abuse.
That's a shockingly high number, and no one can refute that abuse is
harmful
with such numbers -- except for folks who in fact who use
"pseudoscience" to
debunk legitamate studies with thousands of subjects.
Meta-analysis is previewing other studies and rounding up the
statistics, it's
not conducting a study with human controls from the conception to the
final
review.
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845
Leslie, my nick is TOR, and you just tried to make a slur because
Erebus just
matches your perceptions of me. Tell the audience what EREBUS1845
means, okay?
No? Well, I will. It's a name of Sir John Franklin's 1845-1848 Northwest
Passage Expedition flag ship. The same ship that sailed to Anarctica,
under
Ross, and where Mount Erebus was named after. You wish to use it as
it's more
sinister meaning, as what Price and his flock like to call, "the little
lord of
darkness." You folks play word games to try to misconceive the public,
and I
just busted another of your misconceptions you tried to weasle through.
>I don't have time to show you up
>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons
Hey, Leslie in case you didn't know, that's a NAMBLA trademark line.
That's how
folks know FMSF and NAMBLA "dead agents" are on NGs.
"Paranoid loons," very professional online Dxing from a
"psychotherapist."
>you are, as I've got to take
>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>
>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>You're both a hazard to kids.
>
Again shows the world how messed up psychologically you are, Leslie.
That's God
awful references. But thanks for putting it on the record in case AOL
and your
ISP needs to be notified.
Play games and it backfires. Go offline to harass, and you will be
called for
what you are. Make veiled threats (and now since Leslie has stated that
I kill
myself, is no longer a veiled threat), you only make yourself the fool
now.
I didn't have to do anything, Leslie, you discredit yourself with your
very own
words.
[Full post below for the public record]...
>Subject: Gone for a while....
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>
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
>
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame -- well, you folks in a.s.t. have enough knowledge
>of me to realize that they are making assertions but wisely do not
>even try to post message IDs and full contexts as the truth does not
>support their paranoid ideation and defamatory comments. To
>paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," they can't handle the
>truth when it doesn't match their fervently held beliefs and agendas.
>I was and am scientifically conservative -- I do the same in spp that
>I do here, which is to protest when people make sweeping statements
>that go beyond what the research supports. Because I have held true
>to that conservatism, they have tried to brand me a pedophile, a
>pedophile supporter, and God knows what else. When they don't have
>the facts, they resort to such innuendo and name-calling and attempts
>to smear character. Unfortunately for them, I don't back off. I
>will not let them use pseudoscience or bastardize science to serve
>their moral agendas -- even if I agree with them on the moral issue.
>
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845 -- I don't have time to show you up
>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons you are, as I've got to take
>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>
>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>You're both a hazard to kids.
>
>Leslie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Let's see how many SPP practicing psychotherapists, academic
psychologists, and
psych students rationalize this behaviour as appropriate, "off duty,"
or you
"YOU DESERVE IT!!"
This should be a lesson to all psych folks out there (and MH Consumers)
what a
psychotherapist should not do in practice, nor speak about it public.
It goes
against everything a psych professional stands for, and what MH
Consumers don't
need/want in their Tx staff -- that a fact.
TOR
Consumer Advocate
--
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From:
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The real whore of SPP is the hacker punks.
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The real HORROR of this sci.psychology.psychotherapy newsgroup:
The psychologists in here (virtually all of them including all regular
participating psychologists here) have ALWAYS been cheerleaders for
all the unethical, bad (and even illegal) behavior that has gone on, AS
LONG AS THEY themselves DID IT **OR** as long as THE BAD BEHAVIOR WAS
AGAINST PEOPLE WITH VIEWS OR FACTS THEY DID NOT LIKE.
_Beyond that_, there is clear
evidence they enlisted others to do bad behavior for them (punk
Internet and Usenet hoodlums). Moreover, they actively violate every
principle of decent Usenet behavior. _AND_ it all clearly connects back
to strategies to suppress facts and views they did not want exposed (as
anyone who has observed this newsgroup over several years can
attest). There used to be a routine of certain types of ON-TOPIC
views or facts being followed by off-topic accusations and personal
smears.
Everything else is just a continuation of that.
Never have psychologists shown disapproval of any of the most outrageous
bad behavior, if done on their behalf or against people they did
not like (mainly because of the person's facts or views). Nor, have
any apologized for
any of their outrageous behaviors (such as starting hate newsgroups,
smearing people on alt.usenet.kooks and running kook campaigns, OR
for voting people as "not human" ...). You can not find a single regret
among psychologists here with this history of behavior.
They defensively
excuse themselves of everything (just as they do in their 'therapy'
practices). They are "just human" (as it is convenient) BUT at the
same time they want us to believe they are "wise helpers." They
are [pretend] "scientists" (as convenient) and at other convenient
times they are "artists".
In additon to all this terrible stuff, they are repeatedly proven to be
liars. Yet, unbelievably, the psychologists in here who act like this
very much represent the field. THEY ARE (OR HAVE BEEN) LEADERS IN THE
FIELD.
This profession is filled with skewed, distorted, defensive
self-centered minds that are simply clearly more dangerous to clients
than they are helpful (on balance). Any success stories with
psychologists could likely be balanced by more horror stories. It
has been proven in this newsgroup that the behavior of psychologists
is routinely insane (showing a clear inability to act in accord with
ethical principles they have sworn to and an inability to see right
from wrong) and they do not have an established science. They
will not put themselves to necessary tests to begin the key work
of establishing a foundation of a science for a helping profession.
But, let's let by-gones be by-gones (if you can control yourselves,
psychologists) and get on with current and on-topic material. Trouble
is when you don't have a science or ethical standards (or a normal
level of sanity) it is hard for these 'therapy' professionals to
remain on topic. All they can say (in essense or effect) is: "see my
Ph.D." and "believe what I say and believe what I believe"
[P.S. No evidence that contradicts the above report could be presented.]