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There is now good evidence that "Taylor Jimenez" is Joe Jared of Orange, CA. NOTE: "Taylor" did post
using the screen name "Sanford Wallace" & you |
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The customer posting today and yesterday from your service is spamming
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From:
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Thank "Peter S. Saly" <Peter@Saly.com> "Peter
S. Saly" <Peter@Saly.com> Re: PING: Dan Snyder???????````
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 20:09:11 -0600, "Peter S. Saly" <Peter@Saly.com> wrote:
>
>"Yomamma bin Crawdaden" <Crawdad@bayou.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 23:17:06 GMT, Iceman <c0ld0n3@yahoo.com> managed
>> to type:
>>
>> >I apologize to you and your group for the harsh retorts going on her.
>> >
>> >I have tried to get the little hungarian to post other than to SPP,
>> >and will continue to do so.
>> >
>> >I hope this all stops soon, and being as he has little left to say I
>> >can only surmise it be soon.
>> >
>> >Again My Apologies, I will not be posting further replies to said
>> >person here in SPP and any replies to him will have the SPP group
>> >erased.
>>
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dr. Dan,
>> That goes for me too.
>> I said I wasn't going to trash the other group, but bacon boi
>> kinda got me a wee bit pissed.
>> Anyway,
>> It appears he has come to the realization that it is
>> not in his best interest to continue pissing in the SPP pool.
>> I will once again say my good bye's and gracefully
>> exit out of the other group also.
>> I've got to give him credit though.
>> He is a tad bit more of a realist than my other friend, and
>> probably a bit more intelligent.
>> :-)
>>
>>
>
>
>You still here numbnuts..
> I guess I have to startringing your bell again..
>
>
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Hey Peter? Are you still abusing alt.2600? Re:
Gov. Jesse Ventura, did your research on Renee Jesnesss tdurn up facts on
her husband, Brad Jesness?1???????11???????1
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On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:53:26 -0600, "Peter S. Saly" <Peter@Saly.com> wrote:
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>"Yomamma bin Crawdaden" <Crawdad@bayou.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 21:41:06 GMT, Rev Turd Fredericks
>> <turdfred@catholic.org> managed to type:
>>
>> >Yomamma bin Crawdaden wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 05:49:48 GMT, Rev Turd Fredericks
>> >> <turdfred@catholic.org> managed to type:
>> >>
>> >>>Yomamma bin Crawdaden wrote:
>> >>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:10:18 -0600, "Peter S. Saly"
>
>
>Ha !
> Looks like my Pavlovian trainee is back..
> He sees or imagines "Saly" in a post..
> And he can't help himself..
> Yap, Yap, Yap.
> Like a good little Pavlovian cur..
> It'a all in the training...
>
>
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It seems that Peter S. Saly thinks it is OK to abuse numerous newsgroups.
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 05:09:16 -0600, "Peter S. Saly" <Peter@Saly.com> wrote:
>
>"Rev Turd Fredericks" <turdfred@catholic.org> wrote in message
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>> Peter S. Saly wrote:
>> >
>> > "Yomamma bin Crawdaden" <Crawdad@bayou.com> wrote in message
>> > news:3bfeb8aa.690893312@news.earthlink.net...
>> >> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:48:17 -0600, "Peter S. Saly" <Peter@Saly.com>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Ha !
>> > Looks like my Pavlovian trainee is back..
>> > He sees or imagines "Saly" in a post..
>> > And he can't help himself..
>> > Yap, Yap, Yap.
>> > Like a good little Pavlovian cur..
>> > It'a all in the training...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Peter S. Saly wrote:
>> >
>> > "Yomamma bin Crawdaden" <Crawdad@bayou.com> wrote in message
>> > news:3bfdb89f.690882372@news.earthlink.net...
>> >> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:36:43 -0600, "Peter S. Saly" <Peter@Saly.com>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Ha !
>> > Looks like my Pavlovian trainee is back..
>> > He sees or imagines "Saly" in a post..
>> > And he can't help himself..
>> > Yap, Yap, Yap.
>> > Like a good little Pavlovian cur..
>> > It'a all in the training...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Reposted for the benefit of mn.general Sally forgot to crosspost this
>> one.
>> --
>
>The only person crossposting here is you, you turd...
>
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2001 05:09:16 -0600, "Peter S. Saly" <Peter@Saly.com> wrote:
>
>"Rev Turd Fredericks" <turdfred@catholic.org> wrote in message
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>> Peter S. Saly wrote:
>> >
>> > "Yomamma bin Crawdaden" <Crawdad@bayou.com> wrote in message
>> > news:3bfeb8aa.690893312@news.earthlink.net...
>> >> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:48:17 -0600, "Peter S. Saly" <Peter@Saly.com>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Ha !
>> > Looks like my Pavlovian trainee is back..
>> > He sees or imagines "Saly" in a post..
>> > And he can't help himself..
>> > Yap, Yap, Yap.
>> > Like a good little Pavlovian cur..
>> > It'a all in the training...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Peter S. Saly wrote:
>> >
>> > "Yomamma bin Crawdaden" <Crawdad@bayou.com> wrote in message
>> > news:3bfdb89f.690882372@news.earthlink.net...
>> >> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 15:36:43 -0600, "Peter S. Saly" <Peter@Saly.com>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Ha !
>> > Looks like my Pavlovian trainee is back..
>> > He sees or imagines "Saly" in a post..
>> > And he can't help himself..
>> > Yap, Yap, Yap.
>> > Like a good little Pavlovian cur..
>> > It'a all in the training...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Reposted for the benefit of mn.general Sally forgot to crosspost this
>> one.
>> --
>
>The only person crossposting here is you, you turd...
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:33:20 -0600, "Peter S. Saly" <Peter@Saly.com> wrote:
>
>"Iceman" <c0ld0n3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:a4butt459fhatm1gnfsofnpi2546kkboen@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:04:26 -0600, "Peter S. Saly" <Peter@Saly.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Sadly the police are completely under-equipped to cope with such cases
>even
>> >if it's the victim who files the complaint..
>> >Also, in Minneapolis, the unit responsible for such stalking issues, is
>the
>> >-crimes unit, which will give it's priorites and ressources to more
>> >immediate and serious cases..
>> >The Feebs, are the same way, except if they feel that there is a
>potential
>> >for them to gain some publicity. Otherwise it's a lesser priority than
>> >closing unsolved files about communists during McCarthy..
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Peter, do yourself a favor, go to www.lart.com/brad which will forward
>> you to a temp site and read the FAQS on BJ before you get too far into
>> this thing.
>>
>> You are making yourself look like an ass defending something you do
>> not know about.
>>
>> Unless you are a friend of BJ's, then you would be an ASS for sure.
>>
>> Your call.
>>
>> And by the way, your governor and the Mn School Board should really
>> look into this thing in a serious way. Her decisions could be clouded
>> by her association with BJ.
>>
>> For instance, she voted for passage of non-credentialed people to be
>> allowed in certain areas of support for the schools. Like social
>> counseling, etc. If this opened a path for BJ to "practice" his skills
>> on your kids I would be suspect, given his bias' and slandering ways,
>> plus threats he sends in the email.
>>
>> Be aware, take care.
>>
>
>1) I don't care about Jessness
> I don't know Jessness
> I have no recollection of ever reading Jessness
> The ONLY reason I know of Jessness is because of mono-neuronal
>spaming twits like you..
>
>2) I care MUCH less about binary uni- neuronal idiots like you because
>YOU are stupid enough to believe that since I don't line up with dipshits
>like you, I'm somehow defending Jessness..
>
>3) I'll do myself an even bigger favor and IGNORE the advice of spamming
>wankers like you..
> The fact that bozos like you have a hard-on for Jessness is not MY
>problem..
> It is YOUR problem..
> Get some ice or get some help
> I don't care which
> And stop spamming us with your dog's vomit..
>
>Was I clear enough ?
>
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Brad has not posted here in over two years. Just leave him alone.
Quit trying to stalk people and try dealing directly and
appropriately with criticism. Psychologists, as soon as you recognize
and admit that your stalking and harassing behavior
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Someone does periodically post a sppFAQ, but just because the
inappropriate behavior on Usenet by psychologists continues and they
continue to use thugs like Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach, CA
to do off-Usenet dirty work for them. No one even brings up the
past or brings up people who do not post here any more EXCEPT to
answer lies presently being recirculated. I am absolutely confident
that if the psychologists here would get 100% on Usenet and stop
bringing up the past themselves or lying, NO ONE would be off-Usenet
OR bringing up people no longer here OR bringing up the past.
I am confident that as soon as people like John Price and Dan Rogers
and Peter Hood (through proxies) stop their nonsense, their sick
psychologist leader of 4 years (the sicko with sick children, who
misguided them and told a mental health client to kill himself) would
never be mentioned again. Already, out of consideration for this
extremely sick psychologist, her name is not mention (except in
quoted posts where they appear -- posts that need to be quoted to
provide REQUESTED evidence). This psychologist is treated kindly.
It is obvious that the only thing Steve W. (aka, thePsyko) could be
considering "stalking" is the mentioning of this sick psychologist.
WELL, I FOR ONE, WANT TO BURY THE PAST. I WANT TO GET CURRENT. I
WANT TO BE ONLY ON USENET. I know that the sick psychologist who
repeated lies in a harassing, stalking and abusive manner against
Brad does not want to be mentioned. Well, she is NOT mentioned
needlessly. No one is going to her local newsgroups and trying to
get her. That would just be people like Taylor Jimenez of Newport
Beach, CA that are doing that sort of illegal stalking and harassing.
Nothing is being done to psychologists here like is done to Brad.
Is ia.general hearing about Dan Rogers? No. Is anyone supporting
Brad doing anything except posting right here? No. Only the
psychologist proxies are indecent hoodlums and committing illegal
activities (and the psychologists do nothing but support it!!!)
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Unlike the in large part false and libelous FAQ against Brad,
hosted on a pervert abuse domain, by "nobody and maintained by nobody"*,
the sppFAQ was written by Brad (yep, he proudly told me so). If it is
false or libelous in any
way, the psychologists could sue him. But, all the involved
psychologists are guilty as sin and are also guilty of libel/slander,
stalking and harassment, or such as that.
*Footnote:
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make the web page in the first place and whatever other nobodies
were involved in "updating" it). Who knows who taught "Taylor"
Jimenez to use a FAQ sender. That 3 sec. operation might involve
one more step than Taylor can do. The perv-pal can do about one button
press and that is all. Spending a little money here and there is
all fat ass Jimenez can muster -- what most people can do at three
years old.
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Well, thePsyko, you have not done your research. You want to pretend
that the personal and libelous FAQ against Brad has no connection to
the psychologists here. BUT, if you do your research, you will see
that the FAQ (in many regards the same) was first posted _to Usenet_
by one Paul Bernhardt (actually it was first posted by an anon coward,
but identified later as connected to sppm ombudsman Paul Bernhardt
-- he was forced to confess).
It was also hosted on Peter Hood's very own web site UNTIL he went
back to grad. school. THEN soon after that, it reappeared on the
abuse domain (lart.com -- now out of business). Yep, just like
Peter Hood (masters from Leicester Univ., England) mailed his "cd
of evidence" to several hoodums, he also turned over the web page to
the know 'Net abuser, Taylor Jimenez (aka Taylor Netscum, and various
other aliases). Taylor hosted it on his lart.com abuse domain, until
he got the boot from the real server owners who would not have his
crap on their servers. Now Taylor Jimenez, the cheapest and stupidest
punk on Usenet, is now hosting Paul and Peter's FAQ on a subdomain of
_databasix.com_ -- another know abuse domain associated with at least
one child molester.
Taylor Jimenez, of Newport Beach CA simply gets his power on the
Internet by spending $25 a month here or there to run abuse domains.
Takes no brains, no sense, and no ethics. Just take money. Taylor
"helps out" in unique ways by buying abuse domain space to help whoever
he wants to. That power turns the sick bastard, Taylor,(now associated
with an abuse domain used by a child molestor) on. "Gee I can do this
big thing, like put up a web page and everyone will bow to me and
think I am cool." This is Jimenez's "thinking," if you can call it
that. "I don't participate in the newsgroup and don't know what is
going on, but I will determine who is an asshole from what I hear and
determine who will have free speech and who won't" (more Jimenez
"thinking") -- such is the great power of a dummy with a little spare
cash who knows how to FTP. Well, I for one, will mention Jimenez
every time "his page" is mentioned. It goes in the archive and in
the existing record on "Taylor" Jimenez -- dummy punk. Taylor
Jimenez is a coward who does nothing for himself and helps out others
when he thinks it will make him look cool. Well, he an the
psychologists simply look like the anon unethical cowards that they are.
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On other present abuses (and Erebus is not Curio)
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There is no connection between Erebus and Curio, since they are 2
separate people. P.S. I see that the "friends" of psychologists
here are again hosting their libelous and in large part false web
site against Brad on yet another abuse domain. Lart.com got booted,
because the server owners recognized the abuse and illegal activity
going on against Brad on that abuse domain. Now the punks (including
mosts psychologists here) are
using a SUBdomain called wilhelp.com. This domain is under the
administration of the VERY WELL KNOWN __databasix.com___ abuse domain.
databasix.com has been linked to several abusive posters, one of whom
is a convicted child molester. This is the domain the psychologist
now use as their "friend"!!! Since Paul Bernhardt (sppm ombudsman) and
Peter Hood (masters in forensic psychology from Leicester U., England)
***wrote*** the FAQ , I WONDER WHY THEY DON'T HOST IT ANYMORE. Answer:
They do not host abusive and libelous web pages ANYMORE because they
are seeking respectability in the field of psychology!!!!!!!
(Think of this each time you see the wilhelp.com site hosting the
FAQ against Brad mentioned).
P.P.S. Is the punk hoodlum flooding minnesota newsgroups with posts
completely FORGING the name and email address of Brad also posting
here as an anon coward? I suppose he must be since he is breaking the
law!!!! Only the "friends" of the psychologists commit illegal acts
AND THE PSYCHOLOGISTS HERE HAVE NEVER SPOKEN OUT AGAINST THEM AND IN
FACTED HAVE ENCOURAGED AND LAUGHED WITH AND COURTED THE HOODLUMS!!!
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or illegal activity posts anonymously as Pogo Possum to the sppm
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with the other psychologist scum who run that censored newsgroup!!!
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Hood threatened physical assault a number of times and after he
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be "the enemy" of the psychologists here. (The reason the poster was
the enemy was because he was revealing facts about the psychotherapy
field the psychologists want silenced.) So, would the following
please once again declare their Peter Hood numbers?:
John M. Price, Ph.D., sppm moderator
Dan L. Rogers, Ph.D., sppm moderator and practicing psychologist
Mark Morin, Psy.D., sppm moderator and practicing psychologist
Kim Barnard (aka Kali, associated with lart.com, a now defunct
abuse domain) -- another sppm moderator and psychology student
Arco and Snyder could also report their peter hood numbers, as could
several other regularly participating psychologists here!! The person
who started the Peter Hood fan club is no longer here, but is the sicko
who guided her sick children to vote for people as kooks and she
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Brad has not posted here in over two years. Just leave him alone.
Quit trying to stalk people and try dealing directly and
appropriately with criticism. Psychologists, as soon as you recognize
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and lies/defamation/threats/slander has been wrong,
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I am not stalking psychologists (<-- the act. stalkers)
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Someone does periodically post a sppFAQ, but just because the
inappropriate behavior on Usenet by psychologists continues and they
continue to use thugs like Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach, CA
to do off-Usenet dirty work for them. No one even brings up the
past or brings up people who do not post here any more EXCEPT to
answer lies presently being recirculated. I am absolutely confident
that if the psychologists here would get 100% on Usenet and stop
bringing up the past themselves or lying, NO ONE would be off-Usenet
OR bringing up people no longer here OR bringing up the past.
I am confident that as soon as people like John Price and Dan Rogers
and Peter Hood (through proxies) stop their nonsense, their sick
psychologist leader of 4 years (the sicko with sick children, who
misguided them and told a mental health client to kill himself) would
never be mentioned again. Already, out of consideration for this
extremely sick psychologist, her name is not mention (except in
quoted posts where they appear -- posts that need to be quoted to
provide REQUESTED evidence). This psychologist is treated kindly.
It is obvious that the only thing Steve W. (aka, thePsyko) could be
considering "stalking" is the mentioning of this sick psychologist.
WELL, I FOR ONE, WANT TO BURY THE PAST. I WANT TO GET CURRENT. I
WANT TO BE ONLY ON USENET. I know that the sick psychologist who
repeated lies in a harassing, stalking and abusive manner against
Brad does not want to be mentioned. Well, she is NOT mentioned
needlessly. No one is going to her local newsgroups and trying to
get her. That would just be people like Taylor Jimenez of Newport
Beach, CA that are doing that sort of illegal stalking and harassing.
Nothing is being done to psychologists here like is done to Brad.
Is ia.general hearing about Dan Rogers? No. Is anyone supporting
Brad doing anything except posting right here? No. Only the
psychologist proxies are indecent hoodlums and committing illegal
activities (and the psychologists do nothing but support it!!!)
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Unlike the in large part false and libelous FAQ against Brad,
hosted on a pervert abuse domain, by "nobody and maintained by nobody"*,
the sppFAQ was written by Brad (yep, he proudly told me so). If it is
false or libelous in any
way, the psychologists could sue him. But, all the involved
psychologists are guilty as sin and are also guilty of libel/slander,
stalking and harassment, or such as that.
*Footnote:
The "nobody" is Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach CA, but in fact
he is too stupid to make his own web page, so turned to another
nobody (Peter Hood, master's forensic psyc, Leicester U. to
make the web page in the first place and whatever other nobodies
were involved in "updating" it). Who knows who taught "Taylor"
Jimenez to use a FAQ sender. That 3 sec. operation might involve
one more step than Taylor can do. The perv-pal can do about one button
press and that is all. Spending a little money here and there is
all fat ass Jimenez can muster -- what most people can do at three
years old.
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Well, thePsyko, you have not done your research. You want to pretend
that the personal and libelous FAQ against Brad has no connection to
the psychologists here. BUT, if you do your research, you will see
that the FAQ (in many regards the same) was first posted _to Usenet_
by one Paul Bernhardt (actually it was first posted by an anon coward,
but identified later as connected to sppm ombudsman Paul Bernhardt
-- he was forced to confess).
It was also hosted on Peter Hood's very own web site UNTIL he went
back to grad. school. THEN soon after that, it reappeared on the
abuse domain (lart.com -- now out of business). Yep, just like
Peter Hood (masters from Leicester Univ., England) mailed his "cd
of evidence" to several hoodums, he also turned over the web page to
the know 'Net abuser, Taylor Jimenez (aka Taylor Netscum, and various
other aliases). Taylor hosted it on his lart.com abuse domain, until
he got the boot from the real server owners who would not have his
crap on their servers. Now Taylor Jimenez, the cheapest and stupidest
punk on Usenet, is now hosting Paul and Peter's FAQ on a subdomain of
_databasix.com_ -- another know abuse domain associated with at least
one child molester.
Taylor Jimenez, of Newport Beach CA simply gets his power on the
Internet by spending $25 a month here or there to run abuse domains.
Takes no brains, no sense, and no ethics. Just take money. Taylor
"helps out" in unique ways by buying abuse domain space to help whoever
he wants to. That power turns the sick bastard, Taylor,(now associated
with an abuse domain used by a child molestor) on. "Gee I can do this
big thing, like put up a web page and everyone will bow to me and
think I am cool." This is Jimenez's "thinking," if you can call it
that. "I don't participate in the newsgroup and don't know what is
going on, but I will determine who is an asshole from what I hear and
determine who will have free speech and who won't" (more Jimenez
"thinking") -- such is the great power of a dummy with a little spare
cash who knows how to FTP. Well, I for one, will mention Jimenez
every time "his page" is mentioned. It goes in the archive and in
the existing record on "Taylor" Jimenez -- dummy punk. Taylor
Jimenez is a coward who does nothing for himself and helps out others
when he thinks it will make him look cool. Well, he an the
psychologists simply look like the anon unethical cowards that they are.
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On other present abuses (and Erebus is not Curio)
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There is no connection between Erebus and Curio, since they are 2
separate people. P.S. I see that the "friends" of psychologists
here are again hosting their libelous and in large part false web
site against Brad on yet another abuse domain. Lart.com got booted,
because the server owners recognized the abuse and illegal activity
going on against Brad on that abuse domain. Now the punks (including
mosts psychologists here) are
using a SUBdomain called wilhelp.com. This domain is under the
administration of the VERY WELL KNOWN __databasix.com___ abuse domain.
databasix.com has been linked to several abusive posters, one of whom
is a convicted child molester. This is the domain the psychologist
now use as their "friend"!!! Since Paul Bernhardt (sppm ombudsman) and
Peter Hood (masters in forensic psychology from Leicester U., England)
***wrote*** the FAQ , I WONDER WHY THEY DON'T HOST IT ANYMORE. Answer:
They do not host abusive and libelous web pages ANYMORE because they
are seeking respectability in the field of psychology!!!!!!!
(Think of this each time you see the wilhelp.com site hosting the
FAQ against Brad mentioned).
P.P.S. Is the punk hoodlum flooding minnesota newsgroups with posts
completely FORGING the name and email address of Brad also posting
here as an anon coward? I suppose he must be since he is breaking the
law!!!! Only the "friends" of the psychologists commit illegal acts
AND THE PSYCHOLOGISTS HERE HAVE NEVER SPOKEN OUT AGAINST THEM AND IN
FACTED HAVE ENCOURAGED AND LAUGHED WITH AND COURTED THE HOODLUMS!!!
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or illegal activity posts anonymously as Pogo Possum to the sppm
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with the other psychologist scum who run that censored newsgroup!!!
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gave themselves Peter Hood numbers (PH#). They did this AFTER Peter
Hood threatened physical assault a number of times and after he
expressly threatened illegal actions AGAINST a poster who was thought to
be "the enemy" of the psychologists here. (The reason the poster was
the enemy was because he was revealing facts about the psychotherapy
field the psychologists want silenced.) So, would the following
please once again declare their Peter Hood numbers?:
John M. Price, Ph.D., sppm moderator
Dan L. Rogers, Ph.D., sppm moderator and practicing psychologist
Mark Morin, Psy.D., sppm moderator and practicing psychologist
Kim Barnard (aka Kali, associated with lart.com, a now defunct
abuse domain) -- another sppm moderator and psychology student
Arco and Snyder could also report their peter hood numbers, as could
several other regularly participating psychologists here!! The person
who started the Peter Hood fan club is no longer here, but is the sicko
who guided her sick children to vote for people as kooks and she
is an acknowledged pal of several of the worst hoodlums on Usenet,
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All these forgeries are from 63.210.227.182:
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Read it again Dan Rogers. The following (hereon is a post from Erebus
**quoted**) clearly shows that the leader psychologist in this
newsgroup at the time, one unethical Dr. Leslie Packer of NY, indeed
did tell EREBUS (aka TOR) to "blow his brains out" and TOR was well
known to be a mental health client. (Your lies and deception,
are very sick, 'Dr.' Dan Rogers.) Keep in mind that all of the
following is a quote of just one post by Erebus (see top header):
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist"
Date: 1999/06/18
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For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor
the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry
affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my
forum, by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to
make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return,
Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic,
because that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer
unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship
is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now
calling me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in
the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my
therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a
credit to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself --
her full
post is included:
Subject: Re: Gone for a while....
Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette
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>From: lpacker@optonline.net (lpacker)
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:09:06 GMT
>Message-ID: <3769a528.84314742@news.erols.com>
(Snip)
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
Meanwhile, someone I know has just moved to hospice, and probably won't
make it
through the weekend. He successfully kept 2 forms of rare cancer in
check for
10 years, but a third one came out of nowhere. This war hero, who was
the only
survivor of his ship, put up an amazing battle. A good man, I'm really
going to
miss him.
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame
Well, just have to mix a on topic post with some of the latest MI
Stigmatizing
langauge. What makes this unexcusable is that Leslie's a
psychotherapist, who
has direct contact with the MH population.
Yeah, and the TS folks here just support having their kids ridiculed as
a
"loon," "kook," "Frankenstein," "garbage," "crazy," and other slurs.
Should've thought about it Leslie when you rode that NAMI CONSUMER
ADVOCATE
lie, back in October / November (folks just read it for yourself). Was
funny
then to you, until recently the person in question was caught fudging
by the
very same folks she was threatening 3 lawsuits against. These are your
friends,
Leslie. You tried to keep it a secret over here, but when you make
veiled
threats of trying to spam NGs I frequent, don't cry foul when I report
your
behaviour to the NG YOU frequent. I have a right to defend myself from
such
harassment, and you should've known not to make such veiled threats in
light of
the crap that occurred to me recently.
What's criminal is that you support folks who tell a MH Consumer with
past SI
behaviours to FOAD, and now YOU asking to blow my brains out. That's a
serious
lapse of professional ethics.
This is your TS "leader" folks in it's full light.
[snip]
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Subject:
I told people to kill themselves so here I will try to hide that fact with my own posts!
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[ This is a repost of the following article:
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[ From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
]
[ Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist" ]
[ Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
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[ Message-ID: <19990618131936.01986.00001151@ng-cc1.aol.com>
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For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor
the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry
affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my
forum, by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to
make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return,
Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic,
because that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer
unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship
is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now
calling me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in
the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my
therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a
credit to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself --
her full
post is included:
[snip]
From:
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Subject:
Here I try to hide the fact that I want certain people dead!
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The following is all one post quoted.
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist"
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
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For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my forum,
by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return, Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic, because
that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now calling
me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a credit
to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself -- her
full
post is included:
[snip]
From:
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Subject:
I really really hate Dan Rogers
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The real whore of SPP is me.
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The real HORROR of this sci.psychology.psychotherapy newsgroup:
The psychologists in here (virtually all of them including all regular
participating psychologists here) have ALWAYS been cheerleaders for
all the unethical, bad (and even illegal) behavior that has gone on, AS
LONG AS THEY themselves DID IT **OR** as long as THE BAD BEHAVIOR WAS
AGAINST PEOPLE WITH VIEWS OR FACTS THEY DID NOT LIKE.
_Beyond that_, there is clear
evidence they enlisted others to do bad behavior for them (punk
Internet and Usenet hoodlums). Moreover, they actively violate every
principle of decent Usenet behavior. _AND_ it all clearly connects back
to strategies to suppress facts and views they did not want exposed (as
anyone who has observed this newsgroup over several years can
attest). There used to be a routine of certain types of ON-TOPIC
views or facts being followed by off-topic accusations and personal
smears.
Everything else is just a continuation of that.
Never have psychologists shown disapproval of any of the most outrageous
bad behavior, if done on their behalf or against people they did
not like (mainly because of the person's facts or views). Nor, have
any apologized for
any of their outrageous behaviors (such as starting hate newsgroups,
smearing people on alt.usenet.kooks and running kook campaigns, OR
for voting people as "not human" ...). You can not find a single regret
among psychologists here with this history of behavior.
They defensively
[snip]
From:
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Subject:
Another long winded complaint about lart.com. Man I hate that place.
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If "Patient ..." had been anon, she would definitely have been 'Brad'.
I think it is interesting to point out just how crazy the psychologists
in this newsgroup are. There has not been a single case of an
anonymous poster (i.e. where the local hosting IP or Internet Service
Provider could not be indentified) AND one who has posted negatively
about psychotherapy, that has not been said to be 'Brad'. Not one.
The psychologists here literally have collected every post by anon
posters that said anything bad about the field and weaved them into
a tall tail. They collected all posts that looked bad and that could
be misrepresented or put in a bad light and made like they all came
from one guy name 'Brad.' There is literally not a single case of
an anonymous poster who has said anything negative about psychotherapy
that has not been put on the list of hundreds of screen names the
psychologists here say are all Brad. To them "Bad" (their definition) =
'Brad'.
Not a single one in half a decade.
Not how far off are they? Well, a couple of years back Brad posted
and indicated which of the screen names (including several anon screen
names) were him. RESULT: NOT EVEN 1/4 OF THE ANON POSTER CAN BE
CONSIDERED TO BE 'BRAD' ON THE BASIS OF ANY REASONABLE EVIDENCE.
And recall that not a single anon poster who has posted against
psychotherapy has failed to be labeled as 'Brad'.
Now they gathered all the anon posts up and put together the most
outrageous accusations (many with no foundation) against one supposed guy
name 'Brad'. This is the bill-of-goods the psychologists here are
trying to sell (along with their bogus 'therapy'). There is only
one guy (and Erebus and Patient) who has ever been against them.
Otherwise all reasonable people see it their way, in their minds.
Here's their story (and they are definitely sticking to it):
In 6.5 years ONLY one anon poster has opposed psychotherapy. Moreover
this one guy (it follows) has done all the bad things -- though
surprisingly they have to misrepresent those things to make them
seem really bad or bad enough.
In addition to there being NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT OVER 3/4 of the
posts attributed to 'Brad' are 'Brad', there is still stuff in the
FAQ against Brad for which they literally have NO EVIDENCE against
anyone. There are claims they make that they have no evidence
ANYONE did. They just make charges and claims with no supporting
evidence. This is in addition to gross exaggerations and intentional
misrepresentations and lies.
[snip]
Dear usenet.com
More forged name and email address to MY local newsgroup. This guy continues
to forge my name and emaid address using your service.
If I have to call a lawyer or the police I will insist on pressing
charges against www.usenet.com for aiding a abetting illegal activity
Take care of this problem once and for all or you may find your self
out of some money. I will sue you for the embarassment YOUR SERVICE
has caused me as well as contact the police.
This is absolutely my last warning to www.usenet.com
Sincerely,, Brad Jesness
ANOTHER FORGERY:
From:
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Subject:
How about I forge Dr. Packer's e-mail in ny.general? Will that make you happy?
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All you guys abusing in and forging and spamming to mn.general:
How about I send the quote of the erebus post to ny.general?
Would you like that? Perhaps if Dr. Packer's pals are going
to stalk and harass and forge for her in mn local newsgroups,
perhaps they should get a post called: "Leslie Packer: Bad
local psychologist" with just the erebus post as the message
body. Don't tempt me.
There are likely some nice ones for the other psychologists I
could find as well to inform the poor people that might be misguided
enough to come to them for help.
At least it would be real evidence with no illegal forgery involved
like we minnesotans are seeing in mn.general for about 5 days now.
Don't tempt me.
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Dear Usenet.com
Do you have the ability to run a responsible service?? AGAIN:
Here is a whole bunch of posts with forged headers that are forgories
of me by my real name and my real email address. This is also gross
spam that is being made off-topic to my local newsgroup.
Please stop this abuse or I will sue usenet.com.
Thank you
Sincerely, brad jesness (the real one)
All these forgeries are from 63.210.227.182:
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I am so jealous of Dan Rogers!
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Read it again Dan Rogers. The following (hereon is a post from Erebus
**quoted**) clearly shows that the leader psychologist in this
newsgroup at the time, one unethical Dr. Leslie Packer of NY, indeed
did tell EREBUS (aka TOR) to "blow his brains out" and TOR was well
known to be a mental health client. (Your lies and deception,
are very sick, 'Dr.' Dan Rogers.) Keep in mind that all of the
following is a quote of just one post by Erebus (see top header):
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist"
Date: 1999/06/18
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For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor
the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry
affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my
forum, by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to
make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return,
Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic,
because that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer
unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship
is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now
calling me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in
the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my
therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a
credit to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself --
her full
post is included:
Subject: Re: Gone for a while....
Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette
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>From: lpacker@optonline.net (lpacker)
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:09:06 GMT
>Message-ID: <3769a528.84314742@news.erols.com>
(Snip)
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
Meanwhile, someone I know has just moved to hospice, and probably won't
make it
through the weekend. He successfully kept 2 forms of rare cancer in
check for
10 years, but a third one came out of nowhere. This war hero, who was
the only
survivor of his ship, put up an amazing battle. A good man, I'm really
going to
miss him.
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame
Well, just have to mix a on topic post with some of the latest MI
Stigmatizing
langauge. What makes this unexcusable is that Leslie's a
psychotherapist, who
has direct contact with the MH population.
Yeah, and the TS folks here just support having their kids ridiculed as
a
"loon," "kook," "Frankenstein," "garbage," "crazy," and other slurs.
Should've thought about it Leslie when you rode that NAMI CONSUMER
ADVOCATE
lie, back in October / November (folks just read it for yourself). Was
funny
then to you, until recently the person in question was caught fudging
by the
very same folks she was threatening 3 lawsuits against. These are your
friends,
Leslie. You tried to keep it a secret over here, but when you make
veiled
threats of trying to spam NGs I frequent, don't cry foul when I report
your
behaviour to the NG YOU frequent. I have a right to defend myself from
such
harassment, and you should've known not to make such veiled threats in
light of
the crap that occurred to me recently.
What's criminal is that you support folks who tell a MH Consumer with
past SI
behaviours to FOAD, and now YOU asking to blow my brains out. That's a
serious
lapse of professional ethics.
This is your TS "leader" folks in it's full light.
[snip]
From:
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Subject:
I told people to kill themselves so here I will try to hide that fact with my own posts!
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[ From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
]
[ Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist" ]
[ Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
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For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor
the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry
affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my
forum, by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to
make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return,
Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic,
because that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer
unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship
is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now
calling me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in
the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my
therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a
credit to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself --
her full
post is included:
[snip]
From:
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Subject:
Here I try to hide the fact that I want certain people dead!
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The following is all one post quoted.
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist"
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
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For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my forum,
by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return, Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic, because
that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now calling
me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a credit
to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself -- her
full
post is included:
[snip]
From:
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Subject:
I really really hate Dan Rogers
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From:
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The real whore of SPP is me.
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The real HORROR of this sci.psychology.psychotherapy newsgroup:
The psychologists in here (virtually all of them including all regular
participating psychologists here) have ALWAYS been cheerleaders for
all the unethical, bad (and even illegal) behavior that has gone on, AS
LONG AS THEY themselves DID IT **OR** as long as THE BAD BEHAVIOR WAS
AGAINST PEOPLE WITH VIEWS OR FACTS THEY DID NOT LIKE.
_Beyond that_, there is clear
evidence they enlisted others to do bad behavior for them (punk
Internet and Usenet hoodlums). Moreover, they actively violate every
principle of decent Usenet behavior. _AND_ it all clearly connects back
to strategies to suppress facts and views they did not want exposed (as
anyone who has observed this newsgroup over several years can
attest). There used to be a routine of certain types of ON-TOPIC
views or facts being followed by off-topic accusations and personal
smears.
Everything else is just a continuation of that.
Never have psychologists shown disapproval of any of the most outrageous
bad behavior, if done on their behalf or against people they did
not like (mainly because of the person's facts or views). Nor, have
any apologized for
any of their outrageous behaviors (such as starting hate newsgroups,
smearing people on alt.usenet.kooks and running kook campaigns, OR
for voting people as "not human" ...). You can not find a single regret
among psychologists here with this history of behavior.
They defensively
[snip]
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Another long winded complaint about lart.com. Man I hate that place.
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If "Patient ..." had been anon, she would definitely have been 'Brad'.
I think it is interesting to point out just how crazy the psychologists
in this newsgroup are. There has not been a single case of an
anonymous poster (i.e. where the local hosting IP or Internet Service
Provider could not be indentified) AND one who has posted negatively
about psychotherapy, that has not been said to be 'Brad'. Not one.
The psychologists here literally have collected every post by anon
posters that said anything bad about the field and weaved them into
a tall tail. They collected all posts that looked bad and that could
be misrepresented or put in a bad light and made like they all came
from one guy name 'Brad.' There is literally not a single case of
an anonymous poster who has said anything negative about psychotherapy
that has not been put on the list of hundreds of screen names the
psychologists here say are all Brad. To them "Bad" (their definition) =
'Brad'.
Not a single one in half a decade.
Not how far off are they? Well, a couple of years back Brad posted
and indicated which of the screen names (including several anon screen
names) were him. RESULT: NOT EVEN 1/4 OF THE ANON POSTER CAN BE
CONSIDERED TO BE 'BRAD' ON THE BASIS OF ANY REASONABLE EVIDENCE.
And recall that not a single anon poster who has posted against
psychotherapy has failed to be labeled as 'Brad'.
Now they gathered all the anon posts up and put together the most
outrageous accusations (many with no foundation) against one supposed guy
name 'Brad'. This is the bill-of-goods the psychologists here are
trying to sell (along with their bogus 'therapy'). There is only
one guy (and Erebus and Patient) who has ever been against them.
Otherwise all reasonable people see it their way, in their minds.
Here's their story (and they are definitely sticking to it):
In 6.5 years ONLY one anon poster has opposed psychotherapy. Moreover
this one guy (it follows) has done all the bad things -- though
surprisingly they have to misrepresent those things to make them
seem really bad or bad enough.
In addition to there being NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT OVER 3/4 of the
posts attributed to 'Brad' are 'Brad', there is still stuff in the
FAQ against Brad for which they literally have NO EVIDENCE against
anyone. There are claims they make that they have no evidence
ANYONE did. They just make charges and claims with no supporting
evidence. This is in addition to gross exaggerations and intentional
misrepresentations and lies.
[snip]
Dear level3.com
Here is a whole bunch of posts with forged headers that are forgories
of me by my real name and my real email address. This is also gross
spam that is being made off-topic to my local newsgroup. They come from
your customer 63.210.227.182 Stop this violation of every reasonable
company's terms of service and stop this illegal activity.
Thank you
Sincerely, brad jesness (the real one)
All these forgeries are from 63.210.227.182:
From:
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I am so jealous of Dan Rogers!
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Read it again Dan Rogers. The following (hereon is a post from Erebus
**quoted**) clearly shows that the leader psychologist in this
newsgroup at the time, one unethical Dr. Leslie Packer of NY, indeed
did tell EREBUS (aka TOR) to "blow his brains out" and TOR was well
known to be a mental health client. (Your lies and deception,
are very sick, 'Dr.' Dan Rogers.) Keep in mind that all of the
following is a quote of just one post by Erebus (see top header):
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist"
Date: 1999/06/18
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For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor
the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry
affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my
forum, by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to
make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return,
Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic,
because that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer
unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship
is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now
calling me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in
the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my
therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a
credit to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself --
her full
post is included:
Subject: Re: Gone for a while....
Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
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>From: lpacker@optonline.net (lpacker)
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:09:06 GMT
>Message-ID: <3769a528.84314742@news.erols.com>
(Snip)
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
Meanwhile, someone I know has just moved to hospice, and probably won't
make it
through the weekend. He successfully kept 2 forms of rare cancer in
check for
10 years, but a third one came out of nowhere. This war hero, who was
the only
survivor of his ship, put up an amazing battle. A good man, I'm really
going to
miss him.
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame
Well, just have to mix a on topic post with some of the latest MI
Stigmatizing
langauge. What makes this unexcusable is that Leslie's a
psychotherapist, who
has direct contact with the MH population.
Yeah, and the TS folks here just support having their kids ridiculed as
a
"loon," "kook," "Frankenstein," "garbage," "crazy," and other slurs.
Should've thought about it Leslie when you rode that NAMI CONSUMER
ADVOCATE
lie, back in October / November (folks just read it for yourself). Was
funny
then to you, until recently the person in question was caught fudging
by the
very same folks she was threatening 3 lawsuits against. These are your
friends,
Leslie. You tried to keep it a secret over here, but when you make
veiled
threats of trying to spam NGs I frequent, don't cry foul when I report
your
behaviour to the NG YOU frequent. I have a right to defend myself from
such
harassment, and you should've known not to make such veiled threats in
light of
the crap that occurred to me recently.
What's criminal is that you support folks who tell a MH Consumer with
past SI
behaviours to FOAD, and now YOU asking to blow my brains out. That's a
serious
lapse of professional ethics.
This is your TS "leader" folks in it's full light.
[snip]
From:
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Subject:
I told people to kill themselves so here I will try to hide that fact with my own posts!
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[ From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
]
[ Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist" ]
[ Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
]
[ Message-ID: <19990618131936.01986.00001151@ng-cc1.aol.com>
]
For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor
the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry
affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my
forum, by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to
make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return,
Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic,
because that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer
unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship
is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now
calling me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in
the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my
therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a
credit to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself --
her full
post is included:
[snip]
From:
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Subject:
Here I try to hide the fact that I want certain people dead!
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The following is all one post quoted.
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist"
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For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my forum,
by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return, Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic, because
that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now calling
me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a credit
to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself -- her
full
post is included:
[snip]
From:
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I really really hate Dan Rogers
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From:
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The real whore of SPP is me.
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The real HORROR of this sci.psychology.psychotherapy newsgroup:
The psychologists in here (virtually all of them including all regular
participating psychologists here) have ALWAYS been cheerleaders for
all the unethical, bad (and even illegal) behavior that has gone on, AS
LONG AS THEY themselves DID IT **OR** as long as THE BAD BEHAVIOR WAS
AGAINST PEOPLE WITH VIEWS OR FACTS THEY DID NOT LIKE.
_Beyond that_, there is clear
evidence they enlisted others to do bad behavior for them (punk
Internet and Usenet hoodlums). Moreover, they actively violate every
principle of decent Usenet behavior. _AND_ it all clearly connects back
to strategies to suppress facts and views they did not want exposed (as
anyone who has observed this newsgroup over several years can
attest). There used to be a routine of certain types of ON-TOPIC
views or facts being followed by off-topic accusations and personal
smears.
Everything else is just a continuation of that.
Never have psychologists shown disapproval of any of the most outrageous
bad behavior, if done on their behalf or against people they did
not like (mainly because of the person's facts or views). Nor, have
any apologized for
any of their outrageous behaviors (such as starting hate newsgroups,
smearing people on alt.usenet.kooks and running kook campaigns, OR
for voting people as "not human" ...). You can not find a single regret
among psychologists here with this history of behavior.
They defensively
[snip]
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Another long winded complaint about lart.com. Man I hate that place.
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If "Patient ..." had been anon, she would definitely have been 'Brad'.
I think it is interesting to point out just how crazy the psychologists
in this newsgroup are. There has not been a single case of an
anonymous poster (i.e. where the local hosting IP or Internet Service
Provider could not be indentified) AND one who has posted negatively
about psychotherapy, that has not been said to be 'Brad'. Not one.
The psychologists here literally have collected every post by anon
posters that said anything bad about the field and weaved them into
a tall tail. They collected all posts that looked bad and that could
be misrepresented or put in a bad light and made like they all came
from one guy name 'Brad.' There is literally not a single case of
an anonymous poster who has said anything negative about psychotherapy
that has not been put on the list of hundreds of screen names the
psychologists here say are all Brad. To them "Bad" (their definition) =
'Brad'.
Not a single one in half a decade.
Not how far off are they? Well, a couple of years back Brad posted
and indicated which of the screen names (including several anon screen
names) were him. RESULT: NOT EVEN 1/4 OF THE ANON POSTER CAN BE
CONSIDERED TO BE 'BRAD' ON THE BASIS OF ANY REASONABLE EVIDENCE.
And recall that not a single anon poster who has posted against
psychotherapy has failed to be labeled as 'Brad'.
Now they gathered all the anon posts up and put together the most
outrageous accusations (many with no foundation) against one supposed guy
name 'Brad'. This is the bill-of-goods the psychologists here are
trying to sell (along with their bogus 'therapy'). There is only
one guy (and Erebus and Patient) who has ever been against them.
Otherwise all reasonable people see it their way, in their minds.
Here's their story (and they are definitely sticking to it):
In 6.5 years ONLY one anon poster has opposed psychotherapy. Moreover
this one guy (it follows) has done all the bad things -- though
surprisingly they have to misrepresent those things to make them
seem really bad or bad enough.
In addition to there being NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT OVER 3/4 of the
posts attributed to 'Brad' are 'Brad', there is still stuff in the
FAQ against Brad for which they literally have NO EVIDENCE against
anyone. There are claims they make that they have no evidence
ANYONE did. They just make charges and claims with no supporting
evidence. This is in addition to gross exaggerations and intentional
misrepresentations and lies.
[snip]
Dear level3.com
www.usenet.com is not responsive. BUT YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR CUSTOMER
POSTING FROM 64.154.100.219
More forged name and email address to MY local newsgroup. This guy continues
to forge my name and emaid address using your service.
If I have to call a lawyer or the police I will insist on pressing
charges against www.usenet.com for aiding a abetting illegal activity
Take care of this problem once and for all or you may find your self
out of some money. I will sue you for the embarassment YOUR SERVICE
has caused me as well as contact the police.
This is absolutely my last warning to www.usenet.com
Sincerely,, Brad Jesness
ANOTHER FORGERY:
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How about I forge Dr. Packer's e-mail in ny.general? Will that make you happy?
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All you guys abusing in and forging and spamming to mn.general:
How about I send the quote of the erebus post to ny.general?
Would you like that? Perhaps if Dr. Packer's pals are going
to stalk and harass and forge for her in mn local newsgroups,
perhaps they should get a post called: "Leslie Packer: Bad
local psychologist" with just the erebus post as the message
body. Don't tempt me.
There are likely some nice ones for the other psychologists I
could find as well to inform the poor people that might be misguided
enough to come to them for help.
At least it would be real evidence with no illegal forgery involved
like we minnesotans are seeing in mn.general for about 5 days now.
Don't tempt me.
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Dear Usenet.com
Do you have the ability to run a responsible service?? AGAIN:
Here is a whole bunch of posts with forged headers that are forgories
of me by my real name and my real email address. This is also gross
spam that is being made off-topic to my local newsgroup.
Please stop this abuse or I will sue usenet.com.
Thank you
Sincerely, Brad Jesnes Here is today's offense:
More forged name and email address to MY local newsgroup. This guy continues
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If I have to call a lawyer or the police I will insist on pressing
charges against www.usenet.com for aiding a abetting illegal activity
Take care of this problem once and for all or you may find your self
out of some money. I will sue you for the embarassment YOUR SERVICE
has caused me as well as contact the police.
This is absolutely my last warning to www.usenet.com
Sincerely,, Brad Jesness
ANOTHER FORGERY:
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How about I forge Dr. Packer's e-mail in ny.general? Will that make you happy?
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All you guys abusing in and forging and spamming to mn.general:
How about I send the quote of the erebus post to ny.general?
Would you like that? Perhaps if Dr. Packer's pals are going
to stalk and harass and forge for her in mn local newsgroups,
perhaps they should get a post called: "Leslie Packer: Bad
local psychologist" with just the erebus post as the message
body. Don't tempt me.
There are likely some nice ones for the other psychologists I
could find as well to inform the poor people that might be misguided
enough to come to them for help.
At least it would be real evidence with no illegal forgery involved
like we minnesotans are seeing in mn.general for about 5 days now.
Don't tempt me.
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