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There is now good evidence that "Taylor Jimenez" is Joe Jared of Orange, CA. NOTE: "Taylor" did post
using the screen name "Sanford Wallace" & you |
Dear uu.net :
I am SENDING you ALL of the posts (also all forgeries)
that came through (*.ru) These have been traced as far back as
david.remote.net AND IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF INVOLVEMENT OF
DATABASIX OR WILHELP.COM -- WHICH YOU ARE ULTIMATELY REPONSIBLE FOR,
YOU SHOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION AND CANCEL YOUR CONTRACT WITH
THAT ABUSE DOMAIN.
IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT APPROPRIATE ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN:
Until I had to quit my att.net account YESTERDAY due to abuse from
others, I was altshift@att.net.
All of the following posts, out of your service represent true forgeries,
using MY real name and email address.
This is a crime, as is malicious defamation -- which is also occurring.
Please ABSOLUTELY DO cancel this persons account. In addition to abusing
me he is spamming and abusing a teen support newsgroup.
PLEASE ALSO PROVED ME (AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS PRESENTLY SHOWN) ALL EVIDENCE
YOU HAVE OF WHO THE ABUSE OUT OF YOUR DOMAIN IS. I WANT TO PURSUE POLICE
ACTION.
Please cancel this person's account immediately to avoid police action
against your company.
Sincerely, Brad Jesness (the real one)
All these posts are forgeries:
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: I am not stalking psychologists (<--- the act. stalkers)
Followup-To: mn.general,sci.psychology.psychotherapy,alt.2600,alt.support.depression.teens
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Someone does periodically post a sppFAQ, but just because the
inappropriate behavior on Usenet by psychologists continues and they
continue to use thugs like Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach, CA
to do off-Usenet dirty work for them. No one even brings up the
past or brings up people who do not post here any more EXCEPT to
answer lies presently being recirculated. I am absolutely confident
that if the psychologists here would get 100% on Usenet and stop
bringing up the past themselves or lying, NO ONE would be off-Usenet
OR bringing up people no longer here OR bringing up the past.
I am confident that as soon as people like John Price and Dan Rogers
and Peter Hood (through proxies) stop their nonsense, their sick
psychologist leader of 4 years (the sicko with sick children, who
misguided them and told a mental health client to kill himself) would
never be mentioned again. Already, out of consideration for this
extremely sick psychologist, her name is not mention (except in
quoted posts where they appear -- posts that need to be quoted to
provide REQUESTED evidence). This psychologist is treated kindly.
It is obvious that the only thing Steve W. (aka, thePsyko) could be
considering "stalking" is the mentioning of this sick psychologist.
WELL, I FOR ONE, WANT TO BURY THE PAST. I WANT TO GET CURRENT. I
WANT TO BE ONLY ON USENET. I know that the sick psychologist who
repeated lies in a harassing, stalking and abusive manner against
Brad does not want to be mentioned. Well, she is NOT mentioned
needlessly. No one is going to her local newsgroups and trying to
get her. That would just be people like Taylor Jimenez of Newport
Beach, CA that are doing that sort of illegal stalking and harassing.
Nothing is being done to psychologists here like is done to Brad.
Is ia.general hearing about Dan Rogers? No. Is anyone supporting
Brad doing anything except posting right here? No. Only the
psychologist proxies are indecent hoodlums and committing illegal
activities (and the psychologists do nothing but support it!!!)
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Why don't all you leave me alone?
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I have not posted here in over two years. Just leave me alone.
Quit trying to stalk people and try dealing directly and
appropriately with criticism. Psychologists, as soon as you recognize
and admit that your stalking and harassing behavior
and lies/defamation/threats/slander has been wrong,
the sooner you will (once again) be on the road to mental health
recovery (this would be the "most travelled road" for many of you
sickos).
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: The only other sppm moderator.
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The only sppm moderator not connected with lies, hoodlums, or unethical
or illegal activity posts anonymously as Pogo Possum to the sppm
moderated newsgroup. She is apparently too ashamed to be identified
with the other psychologist scum who run that censored newsgroup!!!
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: On other present abuses. (and Erebus is not Curio)
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There is no connection between Erebus and Curio, since they are 2
separate people. P.S. I see that the "friends" of psychologists
here are again hosting their libelous and in large part false web
site against Brad on yet another abuse domain. Lart.com got booted,
because the server owners recognized the abuse and illegal activity
going on against Brad on that abuse domain. Now the punks (including
mosts psychologists here) are
using a SUBdomain called wilhelp.com. This domain is under the
administration of the VERY WELL KNOWN __databasix.com___ abuse domain.
databasix.com has been linked to several abusive posters, one of whom
is a convicted child molester. This is the domain the psychologist
now use as their "friend"!!! Since Paul Bernhardt (sppm ombudsman) and
Peter Hood (masters in forensic psychology from Leicester U., England)
***wrote*** the FAQ , I WONDER WHY THEY DON'T HOST IT ANYMORE. Answer:
They do not host abusive and libelous web pages ANYMORE because they
are seeking respectability in the field of psychology!!!!!!!
(Think of this each time you see the wilhelp.com site hosting the
FAQ against Brad mentioned).
P.P.S. Is the punk hoodlum flooding minnesota newsgroups with posts
completely FORGING the name and email address of Brad also posting
here as an anon coward? I suppose he must be since he is breaking the
law!!!! Only the "friends" of the psychologists commit illegal acts
AND THE PSYCHOLOGISTS HERE HAVE NEVER SPOKEN OUT AGAINST THEM AND IN
FACTED HAVE ENCOURAGED AND LAUGHED WITH AND COURTED THE HOODLUMS!!!
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Abusive psychologists: All Peter Hoods PLEASE sound off!
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All of the following 4 sppm moderators, and virtually all other
psychologists who regularly participate (or participated) in the spp
newsgroup,
gave themselves Peter Hood numbers (PH#). They did this AFTER Peter
Hood threatened physical assault a number of times and after he
expressly threatened illegal actions AGAINST a poster who was thought to
be "the enemy" of the psychologists here. (The reason the poster was
the enemy was because he was revealing facts about the psychotherapy
field the psychologists want silenced.) So, would the following
please once again declare their Peter Hood numbers?:
John M. Price, Ph.D., sppm moderator
Dan L. Rogers, Ph.D., sppm moderator and practicing psychologist
Mark Morin, Psy.D., sppm moderator and practicing psychologist
Kim Barnard (aka Kali, associated with lart.com, a now defunct
abuse domain) -- another sppm moderator and psychology student
Arco and Snyder could also report their peter hood numbers, as could
several other regularly participating psychologists here!! The person
who started the Peter Hood fan club is no longer here, but is the sicko
who guided her sick children to vote for people as kooks and she
is an acknowledged pal of several of the worst hoodlums on Usenet,
including "Yomamma bin Crawdaden" <Crawdad@bayou.com>!!!
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Dan Rogers is a bitch.
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Read it again Dan Rogers. The following (hereon is a post from Erebus
**quoted**) clearly shows that the leader psychologist in this
newsgroup at the time, one unethical Dr. Leslie Packer of NY, indeed
did tell EREBUS (aka TOR) to "blow his brains out" and TOR was well
known to be a mental health client. (Your lies and deception,
are very sick, 'Dr.' Dan Rogers.) Keep in mind that all of the
following is a quote of just one post by Erebus (see top header):
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist"
Date: 1999/06/18
Message-ID: <19990618131936.01986.00001151@ng-cc1.aol.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
X-Admin: news@aol.com
For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor
the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry
affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my
forum, by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to
make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return,
Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic,
because that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer
unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship
is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now
calling me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in
the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my
therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a
credit to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself --
her full
post is included:
Subject: Re: Gone for a while....
Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette
Lines: 350
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Date: 18 Jun 1999 16:18:28 GMT
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Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Message-ID: <19990618121828.01986.00001123@ng-cc1.aol.com>
>From: lpacker@optonline.net (lpacker)
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:09:06 GMT
>Message-ID: <3769a528.84314742@news.erols.com>
(Snip)
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
Meanwhile, someone I know has just moved to hospice, and probably won't
make it
through the weekend. He successfully kept 2 forms of rare cancer in
check for
10 years, but a third one came out of nowhere. This war hero, who was
the only
survivor of his ship, put up an amazing battle. A good man, I'm really
going to
miss him.
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame
Well, just have to mix a on topic post with some of the latest MI
Stigmatizing
langauge. What makes this unexcusable is that Leslie's a
psychotherapist, who
has direct contact with the MH population.
Yeah, and the TS folks here just support having their kids ridiculed as
a
"loon," "kook," "Frankenstein," "garbage," "crazy," and other slurs.
Should've thought about it Leslie when you rode that NAMI CONSUMER
ADVOCATE
lie, back in October / November (folks just read it for yourself). Was
funny
then to you, until recently the person in question was caught fudging
by the
very same folks she was threatening 3 lawsuits against. These are your
friends,
Leslie. You tried to keep it a secret over here, but when you make
veiled
threats of trying to spam NGs I frequent, don't cry foul when I report
your
behaviour to the NG YOU frequent. I have a right to defend myself from
such
harassment, and you should've known not to make such veiled threats in
light of
the crap that occurred to me recently.
What's criminal is that you support folks who tell a MH Consumer with
past SI
behaviours to FOAD, and now YOU asking to blow my brains out. That's a
serious
lapse of professional ethics.
This is your TS "leader" folks in it's full light.
>well, you folks in a.s.t. have enough knowledge
>of me to realize that they are making assertions but wisely do not
>even try to post message IDs and full contexts as the truth does not
>support their paranoid ideation and defamatory comments.
Well, Leslie you purposely deleted AST from the crosspost to post a
veiled
threat to me, thinking it'll go nowhere. Sorry, after what Rauni and
crew have
done on and offline, I will repost their's and your's crap that is
abusive. I
will not be your "victim," nor tolerate your MH Stigmatizing ways.
Oh, you don't want me to post full details, or this NG would be flooded
with
the *truth* about you. Love for you to complain to AOL once they
preview that
crap.
I don't complain to ISPs, and offline until I'm personally attacked,
Leslie.
When there's a clear boundary crossing, I will. And the thing is folks
listen,
because I don't abuse the system with complaints, and I'll provide them
the
COMPLETE references -- no packets, no snippets.
AOL and other ISPs must have a log about you by now. Constant
complainers are
treated like uninvited salespeople, if you didn't know. But thanks for
complaining to AOL.
>To
>paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," they can't handle the
>truth when it doesn't match their fervently held beliefs and agendas.
>I was and am scientifically conservative
Too bad Leslie that you used that character as an example -- he was the
CO in
charge of his men, and allowed "red alerts" (hazing of Marines who
didn't abeit
by social conventions of a particular unit -- which is illegal by the
Military
code of justice). Thanks for letting folks know what you think is
"right" and
"ethical."
Don't believe me, rent the video yourself.
Again, I have absolutely no agendas, Leslie. I just report my direct
experience, or what I've seen, read or know personally.
It's fervent when you try to hurt another. I called your marker, and
it's
because you crossed both professional and personal ethical boundaries.
>-- I do the same in spp that
>I do here, which is to protest when people make sweeping statements
>that go beyond what the research supports.
Stigmatizing folks, and then making veiled threats isn't protesting,
it's
abuse.
There's plenty of direct experience out there about CSA as being
horrid, but
you don't want Survivors to speak up or out about it. How about your TS
clients?? Do you just allow those who agree with *your* views to have
any say
here and elsewhere? You just shown here recently you're a censor. What
else are
you trying to hush up?
You complain about my character, Leslie, so if the shoe fits wear it
yourself.
>Because I have held true
>to that conservatism, they have tried to brand me a pedophile, a
>pedophile supporter, and God knows what else.
You're actions speak of you being a pedophile supporter, Leslie. You
don't like
that, but look at the evidence. Whenever someone posts something about
CSA that
disagrees with some FMSF and NAMBLA agenda, your friends and you come
out to
denounce it. Even though there's thousands of pure scientifically
conducted
studies that show CSA is harmful, you want so desperately to cling onto
some
meta-analysis, or some other non-peer reviewed study to support that
raping
kids isn't harmful. No child asks to be raped -- none, zip, zero.
A pedophile (and their supporters) try to excuse it by bad "science,"
state
that a child wants to be raped (they just hate that word "rape," it's
only
"love" to them when they tear the insides out of a child, emotionally
and
physically), and that it's the child who came onto them -- which makes
it's
justifiable to them. Nevermind self-control. Then there's a whole other
agenda
of trying to legalize (the NAMBLA line) pedophilia to make these perps
get away
with harming more kids.
I'm a Survivor, Leslie, you can try to fool others but you will never
full
someone who's lived through it. It was wrong then, a child FEELS it's
wrong,
and it's wrong today.
>When they don't have
>the facts,
I'm a walking experience of fact. So are thousands of other Survivors
of abuse.
They know directly the effects of it, something no one else does. It's
like
trying to explain the daily life of TS to the very same doctors I've
read on
this NG. No one would understand more than the population that's
affected by a
condition.
>they resort to such innuendo and name-calling and attempts
>to smear character.
No Leslie that's your tactics -- it's YOU who started with the
Stigmatizing
line, ran off to AOL to censor, *and* made a veiled threat to spam not
only
Usenet NGs where I visit, but my own BPD forum. That's the facts,
Leslie.
>Unfortunately for them, I don't back off.
Same with me. Attack me, and folks will know about it. Don't attack me,
and I
won't need to post about you.
> I
>will not let them use pseudoscience or bastardize science to serve
>their moral agendas -- even if I agree with them on the moral issue.
I don't NEED science to prove to me that CSA is harmful, I'm living
proof of
it! You'd cry out about my BPD symptoms, but fail to see that a lot of
Borderlines are victims of abuse. As well as MPD/DIDs. We're walking
testimonials of how abuse messes with one's mind, and how it leaves a
legacy
years on down the road. YOU don't want to admit it, but go on with this
"pseudoscience" crap to try to discount Survivors of their OWN
feelings, and
experiences.
Read the hard numbers, Leslie, and how many of the MI have experienced
abuse.
That's a shockingly high number, and no one can refute that abuse is
harmful
with such numbers -- except for folks who in fact who use
"pseudoscience" to
debunk legitamate studies with thousands of subjects.
Meta-analysis is previewing other studies and rounding up the
statistics, it's
not conducting a study with human controls from the conception to the
final
review.
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845
Leslie, my nick is TOR, and you just tried to make a slur because
Erebus just
matches your perceptions of me. Tell the audience what EREBUS1845
means, okay?
No? Well, I will. It's a name of Sir John Franklin's 1845-1848 Northwest
Passage Expedition flag ship. The same ship that sailed to Anarctica,
under
Ross, and where Mount Erebus was named after. You wish to use it as
it's more
sinister meaning, as what Price and his flock like to call, "the little
lord of
darkness." You folks play word games to try to misconceive the public,
and I
just busted another of your misconceptions you tried to weasle through.
>I don't have time to show you up
>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons
Hey, Leslie in case you didn't know, that's a NAMBLA trademark line.
That's how
folks know FMSF and NAMBLA "dead agents" are on NGs.
"Paranoid loons," very professional online Dxing from a
"psychotherapist."
>you are, as I've got to take
>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>
>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>You're both a hazard to kids.
>
Again shows the world how messed up psychologically you are, Leslie.
That's God
awful references. But thanks for putting it on the record in case AOL
and your
ISP needs to be notified.
Play games and it backfires. Go offline to harass, and you will be
called for
what you are. Make veiled threats (and now since Leslie has stated that
I kill
myself, is no longer a veiled threat), you only make yourself the fool
now.
I didn't have to do anything, Leslie, you discredit yourself with your
very own
words.
[Full post below for the public record]...
>Subject: Gone for a while....
>Path:
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>From: lpacker@optonline.net (lpacker)
>Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:09:06 GMT
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>
>
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
>
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame -- well, you folks in a.s.t. have enough knowledge
>of me to realize that they are making assertions but wisely do not
>even try to post message IDs and full contexts as the truth does not
>support their paranoid ideation and defamatory comments. To
>paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," they can't handle the
>truth when it doesn't match their fervently held beliefs and agendas.
>I was and am scientifically conservative -- I do the same in spp that
>I do here, which is to protest when people make sweeping statements
>that go beyond what the research supports. Because I have held true
>to that conservatism, they have tried to brand me a pedophile, a
>pedophile supporter, and God knows what else. When they don't have
>the facts, they resort to such innuendo and name-calling and attempts
>to smear character. Unfortunately for them, I don't back off. I
>will not let them use pseudoscience or bastardize science to serve
>their moral agendas -- even if I agree with them on the moral issue.
>
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845 -- I don't have time to show you up
>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons you are, as I've got to take
>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>
>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>You're both a hazard to kids.
>
>Leslie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Let's see how many SPP practicing psychotherapists, academic
psychologists, and
psych students rationalize this behaviour as appropriate, "off duty,"
or you
"YOU DESERVE IT!!"
This should be a lesson to all psych folks out there (and MH Consumers)
what a
psychotherapist should not do in practice, nor speak about it public.
It goes
against everything a psych professional stands for, and what MH
Consumers don't
need/want in their Tx staff -- that a fact.
TOR
Consumer Advocate
--
Dear uu.net :
I am SENDING you ALL of the posts (also all forgeries)
that came through (*.ru) These have been traced as far back as
david.remote.net AND IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF INVOLVEMENT OF
DATABASIX OR WILHELP.COM -- WHICH YOU ARE ULTIMATELY REPONSIBLE FOR,
YOU SHOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION AND CANCEL YOUR CONTRACT WITH
THAT ABUSE DOMAIN.
IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT APPROPRIATE ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN:
Until I had to quit my att.net account YESTERDAY due to abuse from
others, I was altshift@att.net.
All of the following posts, out of your service represent true forgeries,
using MY real name and email address.
This is a crime, as is malicious defamation -- which is also occurring.
Please ABSOLUTELY DO cancel this persons account. In addition to abusing
me he is spamming and abusing a teen support newsgroup.
PLEASE ALSO PROVED ME (AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS PRESENTLY SHOWN) ALL EVIDENCE
YOU HAVE OF WHO THE ABUSE OUT OF YOUR DOMAIN IS. I WANT TO PURSUE POLICE
ACTION.
Please cancel this person's account immediately to avoid police action
against your company.
Sincerely, Brad Jesness (the real one)
All these posts are forgeries:
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: This is not Brad!
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[ This is a repost of the following article:
]
[ From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
]
[ Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist" ]
[ Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
]
[ Message-ID: <19990618131936.01986.00001151@ng-cc1.aol.com>
]
For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor
the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry
affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my
forum, by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to
make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return,
Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic,
because that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer
unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship
is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now
calling me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in
the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my
therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a
credit to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself --
her full
post is included:
Subject: Re: Gone for a while....
Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette
Lines: 350
NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com
X-Admin: news@aol.com
Date: 18 Jun 1999 16:18:28 GMT
References: <3769a528.84314742@news.erols.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Message-ID: <19990618121828.01986.00001123@ng-cc1.aol.com>
>From: lpacker@optonline.net (lpacker)
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:09:06 GMT
>Message-ID: <3769a528.84314742@news.erols.com>
(Snip)
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
Meanwhile, someone I know has just moved to hospice, and probably won't
make it
through the weekend. He successfully kept 2 forms of rare cancer in
check for
10 years, but a third one came out of nowhere. This war hero, who was
the only
survivor of his ship, put up an amazing battle. A good man, I'm really
going to
miss him.
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame
Well, just have to mix a on topic post with some of the latest MI
Stigmatizing
langauge. What makes this unexcusable is that Leslie's a
psychotherapist, who
has direct contact with the MH population.
Yeah, and the TS folks here just support having their kids ridiculed as
a
"loon," "kook," "Frankenstein," "garbage," "crazy," and other slurs.
Should've thought about it Leslie when you rode that NAMI CONSUMER
ADVOCATE
lie, back in October / November (folks just read it for yourself). Was
funny
then to you, until recently the person in question was caught fudging
by the
very same folks she was threatening 3 lawsuits against. These are your
friends,
Leslie. You tried to keep it a secret over here, but when you make
veiled
threats of trying to spam NGs I frequent, don't cry foul when I report
your
behaviour to the NG YOU frequent. I have a right to defend myself from
such
harassment, and you should've known not to make such veiled threats in
light of
the crap that occurred to me recently.
What's criminal is that you support folks who tell a MH Consumer with
past SI
behaviours to FOAD, and now YOU asking to blow my brains out. That's a
serious
lapse of professional ethics.
This is your TS "leader" folks in it's full light.
>well, you folks in a.s.t. have enough knowledge
>of me to realize that they are making assertions but wisely do not
>even try to post message IDs and full contexts as the truth does not
>support their paranoid ideation and defamatory comments.
Well, Leslie you purposely deleted AST from the crosspost to post a
veiled
threat to me, thinking it'll go nowhere. Sorry, after what Rauni and
crew have
done on and offline, I will repost their's and your's crap that is
abusive. I
will not be your "victim," nor tolerate your MH Stigmatizing ways.
Oh, you don't want me to post full details, or this NG would be flooded
with
the *truth* about you. Love for you to complain to AOL once they
preview that
crap.
I don't complain to ISPs, and offline until I'm personally attacked,
Leslie.
When there's a clear boundary crossing, I will. And the thing is folks
listen,
because I don't abuse the system with complaints, and I'll provide them
the
COMPLETE references -- no packets, no snippets.
AOL and other ISPs must have a log about you by now. Constant
complainers are
treated like uninvited salespeople, if you didn't know. But thanks for
complaining to AOL.
>To
>paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," they can't handle the
>truth when it doesn't match their fervently held beliefs and agendas.
>I was and am scientifically conservative
Too bad Leslie that you used that character as an example -- he was the
CO in
charge of his men, and allowed "red alerts" (hazing of Marines who
didn't abeit
by social conventions of a particular unit -- which is illegal by the
Military
code of justice). Thanks for letting folks know what you think is
"right" and
"ethical."
Don't believe me, rent the video yourself.
Again, I have absolutely no agendas, Leslie. I just report my direct
experience, or what I've seen, read or know personally.
It's fervent when you try to hurt another. I called your marker, and
it's
because you crossed both professional and personal ethical boundaries.
>-- I do the same in spp that
>I do here, which is to protest when people make sweeping statements
>that go beyond what the research supports.
Stigmatizing folks, and then making veiled threats isn't protesting,
it's
abuse.
There's plenty of direct experience out there about CSA as being
horrid, but
you don't want Survivors to speak up or out about it. How about your TS
clients?? Do you just allow those who agree with *your* views to have
any say
here and elsewhere? You just shown here recently you're a censor. What
else are
you trying to hush up?
You complain about my character, Leslie, so if the shoe fits wear it
yourself.
>Because I have held true
>to that conservatism, they have tried to brand me a pedophile, a
>pedophile supporter, and God knows what else.
You're actions speak of you being a pedophile supporter, Leslie. You
don't like
that, but look at the evidence. Whenever someone posts something about
CSA that
disagrees with some FMSF and NAMBLA agenda, your friends and you come
out to
denounce it. Even though there's thousands of pure scientifically
conducted
studies that show CSA is harmful, you want so desperately to cling onto
some
meta-analysis, or some other non-peer reviewed study to support that
raping
kids isn't harmful. No child asks to be raped -- none, zip, zero.
A pedophile (and their supporters) try to excuse it by bad "science,"
state
that a child wants to be raped (they just hate that word "rape," it's
only
"love" to them when they tear the insides out of a child, emotionally
and
physically), and that it's the child who came onto them -- which makes
it's
justifiable to them. Nevermind self-control. Then there's a whole other
agenda
of trying to legalize (the NAMBLA line) pedophilia to make these perps
get away
with harming more kids.
I'm a Survivor, Leslie, you can try to fool others but you will never
full
someone who's lived through it. It was wrong then, a child FEELS it's
wrong,
and it's wrong today.
>When they don't have
>the facts,
I'm a walking experience of fact. So are thousands of other Survivors
of abuse.
They know directly the effects of it, something no one else does. It's
like
trying to explain the daily life of TS to the very same doctors I've
read on
this NG. No one would understand more than the population that's
affected by a
condition.
>they resort to such innuendo and name-calling and attempts
>to smear character.
No Leslie that's your tactics -- it's YOU who started with the
Stigmatizing
line, ran off to AOL to censor, *and* made a veiled threat to spam not
only
Usenet NGs where I visit, but my own BPD forum. That's the facts,
Leslie.
>Unfortunately for them, I don't back off.
Same with me. Attack me, and folks will know about it. Don't attack me,
and I
won't need to post about you.
> I
>will not let them use pseudoscience or bastardize science to serve
>their moral agendas -- even if I agree with them on the moral issue.
I don't NEED science to prove to me that CSA is harmful, I'm living
proof of
it! You'd cry out about my BPD symptoms, but fail to see that a lot of
Borderlines are victims of abuse. As well as MPD/DIDs. We're walking
testimonials of how abuse messes with one's mind, and how it leaves a
legacy
years on down the road. YOU don't want to admit it, but go on with this
"pseudoscience" crap to try to discount Survivors of their OWN
feelings, and
experiences.
Read the hard numbers, Leslie, and how many of the MI have experienced
abuse.
That's a shockingly high number, and no one can refute that abuse is
harmful
with such numbers -- except for folks who in fact who use
"pseudoscience" to
debunk legitamate studies with thousands of subjects.
Meta-analysis is previewing other studies and rounding up the
statistics, it's
not conducting a study with human controls from the conception to the
final
review.
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845
Leslie, my nick is TOR, and you just tried to make a slur because
Erebus just
matches your perceptions of me. Tell the audience what EREBUS1845
means, okay?
No? Well, I will. It's a name of Sir John Franklin's 1845-1848 Northwest
Passage Expedition flag ship. The same ship that sailed to Anarctica,
under
Ross, and where Mount Erebus was named after. You wish to use it as
it's more
sinister meaning, as what Price and his flock like to call, "the little
lord of
darkness." You folks play word games to try to misconceive the public,
and I
just busted another of your misconceptions you tried to weasle through.
>I don't have time to show you up
>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons
Hey, Leslie in case you didn't know, that's a NAMBLA trademark line.
That's how
folks know FMSF and NAMBLA "dead agents" are on NGs.
"Paranoid loons," very professional online Dxing from a
"psychotherapist."
>you are, as I've got to take
>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>
>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>You're both a hazard to kids.
>
Again shows the world how messed up psychologically you are, Leslie.
That's God
awful references. But thanks for putting it on the record in case AOL
and your
ISP needs to be notified.
Play games and it backfires. Go offline to harass, and you will be
called for
what you are. Make veiled threats (and now since Leslie has stated that
I kill
myself, is no longer a veiled threat), you only make yourself the fool
now.
I didn't have to do anything, Leslie, you discredit yourself with your
very own
words.
[Full post below for the public record]...
>Subject: Gone for a while....
>Path:
>lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!out
goi ng.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail
>From: lpacker@optonline.net (lpacker)
>Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:09:06 GMT
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>
>
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
>
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame -- well, you folks in a.s.t. have enough knowledge
>of me to realize that they are making assertions but wisely do not
>even try to post message IDs and full contexts as the truth does not
>support their paranoid ideation and defamatory comments. To
>paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," they can't handle the
>truth when it doesn't match their fervently held beliefs and agendas.
>I was and am scientifically conservative -- I do the same in spp that
>I do here, which is to protest when people make sweeping statements
>that go beyond what the research supports. Because I have held true
>to that conservatism, they have tried to brand me a pedophile, a
>pedophile supporter, and God knows what else. When they don't have
>the facts, they resort to such innuendo and name-calling and attempts
>to smear character. Unfortunately for them, I don't back off. I
>will not let them use pseudoscience or bastardize science to serve
>their moral agendas -- even if I agree with them on the moral issue.
>
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845 -- I don't have time to show you up
>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons you are, as I've got to take
>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>
>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>You're both a hazard to kids.
>
>Leslie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Let's see how many SPP practicing psychotherapists, academic
psychologists, and
psych students rationalize this behaviour as appropriate, "off duty,"
or you
"YOU DESERVE IT!!"
This should be a lesson to all psych folks out there (and MH Consumers)
what a
psychotherapist should not do in practice, nor speak about it public.
It goes
against everything a psych professional stands for, and what MH
Consumers don't
need/want in their Tx staff -- that a fact.
TOR
Consumer Advocate
--
Dear uu.net :
I am SENDING you ALL of the posts (also all forgeries)
that came through (*.ru) These have been traced as far back as
david.remote.net AND IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF INVOLVEMENT OF
DATABASIX OR WILHELP.COM -- WHICH YOU ARE ULTIMATELY REPONSIBLE FOR,
YOU SHOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION AND CANCEL YOUR CONTRACT WITH
THAT ABUSE DOMAIN.
IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT APPROPRIATE ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN:
Until I had to quit my att.net account YESTERDAY due to abuse from
others, I was altshift@att.net.
All of the following posts, out of your service represent true forgeries,
using MY real name and email address.
This is a crime, as is malicious defamation -- which is also occurring.
Please ABSOLUTELY DO cancel this persons account. In addition to abusing
me he is spamming and abusing a teen support newsgroup.
PLEASE ALSO PROVED ME (AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS PRESENTLY SHOWN) ALL EVIDENCE
YOU HAVE OF WHO THE ABUSE OUT OF YOUR DOMAIN IS. I WANT TO PURSUE POLICE
ACTION.
Please cancel this person's account immediately to avoid police action
against your company.
Sincerely, Brad Jesness (the real one)
All these posts are forgeries:
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: I don't want anyone dead DAN ROGERS.
Followup-To: alt.2600,alt.hackers.malicious,mn.general
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The following is all one post quoted.
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Subject: "...blow your brains out." A statement by Leslie Packer,
"psychotherapist"
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Message-ID: <19990618131936.01986.00001151@ng-cc1.aol.com>
For those who didn't follow the thread about Leslie's credentials, nor the
posts at alt.support.tourette, here's the final cap to this sorry affair.
Leslie Packer made a veiled threat to harass me on other NGs and my forum,
by
refering that it would come from AST. So I reposted her post at AST to make
them aware of what Leslie might be up to, in their name. In return, Leslie
cried foul and complained to AOL about being "off-topic" (ironic, because
that
was her threat post was!), trying to censor her own abusive ways. It
backfired,
because her friends here were allowed to crosspost and answer unmolested. So
that censor tactic didn't work, so Leslie blew up yet again.
This is *not* acceptable behaviour from a psychotherapist. Friendship is not
blind to outright abuse. Making threats to harass another, and now calling
me
to "blow my brains out," is a serious breech of professional conduct. No
professional is "off duty," when they proclaim to be a professional in the
first place (no blurring of lines crap about her not being my therapist, she
claims to be a psychotherapist, then she should conduct herself as a credit
to
that profession, not a mockery). Read the post and see for yourself -- her
full
post is included:
Subject: Re: Gone for a while....
Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
From: erebus1845@aol.comTFF-FAN (EREBUS1845)
Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette
Lines: 350
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
Date: 18 Jun 1999 16:18:28 GMT
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Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Message-ID: <19990618121828.01986.00001123@ng-cc1.aol.com>
>From: lpacker@optonline.net (lpacker)
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:09:06 GMT
>Message-ID: <3769a528.84314742@news.erols.com>
(Snip)
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
Meanwhile, someone I know has just moved to hospice, and probably won't make
it
through the weekend. He successfully kept 2 forms of rare cancer in check
for
10 years, but a third one came out of nowhere. This war hero, who was the
only
survivor of his ship, put up an amazing battle. A good man, I'm really going
to
miss him.
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame
Well, just have to mix a on topic post with some of the latest MI
Stigmatizing
langauge. What makes this unexcusable is that Leslie's a psychotherapist,
who
has direct contact with the MH population.
Yeah, and the TS folks here just support having their kids ridiculed as a
"loon," "kook," "Frankenstein," "garbage," "crazy," and other slurs.
Should've thought about it Leslie when you rode that NAMI CONSUMER ADVOCATE
lie, back in October / November (folks just read it for yourself). Was funny
then to you, until recently the person in question was caught fudging by the
very same folks she was threatening 3 lawsuits against. These are your
friends,
Leslie. You tried to keep it a secret over here, but when you make veiled
threats of trying to spam NGs I frequent, don't cry foul when I report your
behaviour to the NG YOU frequent. I have a right to defend myself from such
harassment, and you should've known not to make such veiled threats in light
of
the crap that occurred to me recently.
What's criminal is that you support folks who tell a MH Consumer with past
SI
behaviours to FOAD, and now YOU asking to blow my brains out. That's a
serious
lapse of professional ethics.
This is your TS "leader" folks in it's full light.
>well, you folks in a.s.t. have enough knowledge
>of me to realize that they are making assertions but wisely do not
>even try to post message IDs and full contexts as the truth does not
>support their paranoid ideation and defamatory comments.
Well, Leslie you purposely deleted AST from the crosspost to post a veiled
threat to me, thinking it'll go nowhere. Sorry, after what Rauni and crew
have
done on and offline, I will repost their's and your's crap that is abusive.
I
will not be your "victim," nor tolerate your MH Stigmatizing ways.
Oh, you don't want me to post full details, or this NG would be flooded with
the *truth* about you. Love for you to complain to AOL once they preview
that
crap.
I don't complain to ISPs, and offline until I'm personally attacked, Leslie.
When there's a clear boundary crossing, I will. And the thing is folks
listen,
because I don't abuse the system with complaints, and I'll provide them the
COMPLETE references -- no packets, no snippets.
AOL and other ISPs must have a log about you by now. Constant complainers
are
treated like uninvited salespeople, if you didn't know. But thanks for
complaining to AOL.
>To
>paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," they can't handle the
>truth when it doesn't match their fervently held beliefs and agendas.
>I was and am scientifically conservative
Too bad Leslie that you used that character as an example -- he was the CO
in
charge of his men, and allowed "red alerts" (hazing of Marines who didn't
abeit
by social conventions of a particular unit -- which is illegal by the
Military
code of justice). Thanks for letting folks know what you think is "right"
and
"ethical."
Don't believe me, rent the video yourself.
Again, I have absolutely no agendas, Leslie. I just report my direct
experience, or what I've seen, read or know personally.
It's fervent when you try to hurt another. I called your marker, and it's
because you crossed both professional and personal ethical boundaries.
>-- I do the same in spp that
>I do here, which is to protest when people make sweeping statements
>that go beyond what the research supports.
Stigmatizing folks, and then making veiled threats isn't protesting, it's
abuse.
There's plenty of direct experience out there about CSA as being horrid, but
you don't want Survivors to speak up or out about it. How about your TS
clients?? Do you just allow those who agree with *your* views to have any
say
here and elsewhere? You just shown here recently you're a censor. What else
are
you trying to hush up?
You complain about my character, Leslie, so if the shoe fits wear it
yourself.
>Because I have held true
>to that conservatism, they have tried to brand me a pedophile, a
>pedophile supporter, and God knows what else.
You're actions speak of you being a pedophile supporter, Leslie. You don't
like
that, but look at the evidence. Whenever someone posts something about CSA
that
disagrees with some FMSF and NAMBLA agenda, your friends and you come out to
denounce it. Even though there's thousands of pure scientifically conducted
studies that show CSA is harmful, you want so desperately to cling onto some
meta-analysis, or some other non-peer reviewed study to support that raping
kids isn't harmful. No child asks to be raped -- none, zip, zero.
A pedophile (and their supporters) try to excuse it by bad "science," state
that a child wants to be raped (they just hate that word "rape," it's only
"love" to them when they tear the insides out of a child, emotionally and
physically), and that it's the child who came onto them -- which makes it's
justifiable to them. Nevermind self-control. Then there's a whole other
agenda
of trying to legalize (the NAMBLA line) pedophilia to make these perps get
away
with harming more kids.
I'm a Survivor, Leslie, you can try to fool others but you will never full
someone who's lived through it. It was wrong then, a child FEELS it's wrong,
and it's wrong today.
>When they don't have
>the facts,
I'm a walking experience of fact. So are thousands of other Survivors of
abuse.
They know directly the effects of it, something no one else does. It's like
trying to explain the daily life of TS to the very same doctors I've read on
this NG. No one would understand more than the population that's affected by
a
condition.
>they resort to such innuendo and name-calling and attempts
>to smear character.
No Leslie that's your tactics -- it's YOU who started with the Stigmatizing
line, ran off to AOL to censor, *and* made a veiled threat to spam not only
Usenet NGs where I visit, but my own BPD forum. That's the facts, Leslie.
>Unfortunately for them, I don't back off.
Same with me. Attack me, and folks will know about it. Don't attack me, and
I
won't need to post about you.
> I
>will not let them use pseudoscience or bastardize science to serve
>their moral agendas -- even if I agree with them on the moral issue.
I don't NEED science to prove to me that CSA is harmful, I'm living proof of
it! You'd cry out about my BPD symptoms, but fail to see that a lot of
Borderlines are victims of abuse. As well as MPD/DIDs. We're walking
testimonials of how abuse messes with one's mind, and how it leaves a legacy
years on down the road. YOU don't want to admit it, but go on with this
"pseudoscience" crap to try to discount Survivors of their OWN feelings, and
experiences.
Read the hard numbers, Leslie, and how many of the MI have experienced
abuse.
That's a shockingly high number, and no one can refute that abuse is harmful
with such numbers -- except for folks who in fact who use "pseudoscience" to
debunk legitamate studies with thousands of subjects.
Meta-analysis is previewing other studies and rounding up the statistics,
it's
not conducting a study with human controls from the conception to the final
review.
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845
Leslie, my nick is TOR, and you just tried to make a slur because Erebus
just
matches your perceptions of me. Tell the audience what EREBUS1845 means,
okay?
No? Well, I will. It's a name of Sir John Franklin's 1845-1848 Northwest
Passage Expedition flag ship. The same ship that sailed to Anarctica, under
Ross, and where Mount Erebus was named after. You wish to use it as it's
more
sinister meaning, as what Price and his flock like to call, "the little lord
of
darkness." You folks play word games to try to misconceive the public, and I
just busted another of your misconceptions you tried to weasle through.
>I don't have time to show you up
>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons
Hey, Leslie in case you didn't know, that's a NAMBLA trademark line. That's
how
folks know FMSF and NAMBLA "dead agents" are on NGs.
"Paranoid loons," very professional online Dxing from a "psychotherapist."
>you are, as I've got to take
>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>
>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>You're both a hazard to kids.
>
Again shows the world how messed up psychologically you are, Leslie. That's
God
awful references. But thanks for putting it on the record in case AOL and
your
ISP needs to be notified.
Play games and it backfires. Go offline to harass, and you will be called
for
what you are. Make veiled threats (and now since Leslie has stated that I
kill
myself, is no longer a veiled threat), you only make yourself the fool now.
I didn't have to do anything, Leslie, you discredit yourself with your very
own
words.
[Full post below for the public record]...
>Subject: Gone for a while....
>Path:
>lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!outgoi
ng.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail
>From: lpacker@optonline.net (lpacker)
>Newsgroups: alt.support.tourette
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:09:06 GMT
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>
>
>
>Tuesday was one of the worst days of my life. I had to call 911 and
>have my daughter taken into the hospital. After years of struggling
>to keep my kids out of the hospital, there was nothing we could do at
>home to keep her safe. Right now, she is in a severe manic phase and
>they are trying to bring her down, but she's got a long haul ahead of
>her.
>
>She will be in the hospital for about a month. It is not near here,
>as we wanted to get her the best care we could and that meant a
>hospital 1 1/2 hours away. So I will be running back and forth and
>unable to keep up with news until things settle down.
>
>As to the loons from spp who come here to lie and disort and
>criminally defame -- well, you folks in a.s.t. have enough knowledge
>of me to realize that they are making assertions but wisely do not
>even try to post message IDs and full contexts as the truth does not
>support their paranoid ideation and defamatory comments. To
>paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," they can't handle the
>truth when it doesn't match their fervently held beliefs and agendas.
>I was and am scientifically conservative -- I do the same in spp that
>I do here, which is to protest when people make sweeping statements
>that go beyond what the research supports. Because I have held true
>to that conservatism, they have tried to brand me a pedophile, a
>pedophile supporter, and God knows what else. When they don't have
>the facts, they resort to such innuendo and name-calling and attempts
>to smear character. Unfortunately for them, I don't back off. I
>will not let them use pseudoscience or bastardize science to serve
>their moral agendas -- even if I agree with them on the moral issue.
>
>To them -- to Curio and Erebus1845 -- I don't have time to show you up
>for the McCarthy-type paranoid loons you are, as I've got to take
>care of my daughter, so I'll simply say:
>
>Do the children of this world a favor and blow your brains out.
>You're both a hazard to kids.
>
>Leslie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Let's see how many SPP practicing psychotherapists, academic psychologists,
and
psych students rationalize this behaviour as appropriate, "off duty," or you
"YOU DESERVE IT!!"
This should be a lesson to all psych folks out there (and MH Consumers) what
a
psychotherapist should not do in practice, nor speak about it public. It
goes
against everything a psych professional stands for, and what MH Consumers
don't
need/want in their Tx staff -- that a fact.
TOR
Consumer Advocate
--
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: The real whore of SPP is the hacker punks.
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The real HORROR of this sci.psychology.psychotherapy newsgroup:
The psychologists in here (virtually all of them including all regular
participating psychologists here) have ALWAYS been cheerleaders for
all the unethical, bad (and even illegal) behavior that has gone on, AS
LONG AS THEY themselves DID IT **OR** as long as THE BAD BEHAVIOR WAS
AGAINST PEOPLE WITH VIEWS OR FACTS THEY DID NOT LIKE.
_Beyond that_, there is clear
evidence they enlisted others to do bad behavior for them (punk
Internet and Usenet hoodlums). Moreover, they actively violate every
principle of decent Usenet behavior. _AND_ it all clearly connects back
to strategies to suppress facts and views they did not want exposed (as
anyone who has observed this newsgroup over several years can
attest). There used to be a routine of certain types of ON-TOPIC
views or facts being followed by off-topic accusations and personal
smears.
Everything else is just a continuation of that.
Never have psychologists shown disapproval of any of the most outrageous
bad behavior, if done on their behalf or against people they did
not like (mainly because of the person's facts or views). Nor, have
any apologized for
any of their outrageous behaviors (such as starting hate newsgroups,
smearing people on alt.usenet.kooks and running kook campaigns, OR
for voting people as "not human" ...). You can not find a single regret
among psychologists here with this history of behavior.
They defensively
excuse themselves of everything (just as they do in their 'therapy'
practices). They are "just human" (as it is convenient) BUT at the
same time they want us to believe they are "wise helpers." They
are [pretend] "scientists" (as convenient) and at other convenient
times they are "artists".
In additon to all this terrible stuff, they are repeatedly proven to be
liars. Yet, unbelievably, the psychologists in here who act like this
very much represent the field. THEY ARE (OR HAVE BEEN) LEADERS IN THE
FIELD.
This profession is filled with skewed, distorted, defensive
self-centered minds that are simply clearly more dangerous to clients
than they are helpful (on balance). Any success stories with
psychologists could likely be balanced by more horror stories. It
has been proven in this newsgroup that the behavior of psychologists
is routinely insane (showing a clear inability to act in accord with
ethical principles they have sworn to and an inability to see right
from wrong) and they do not have an established science. They
will not put themselves to necessary tests to begin the key work
of establishing a foundation of a science for a helping profession.
But, let's let by-gones be by-gones (if you can control yourselves,
psychologists) and get on with current and on-topic material. Trouble
is when you don't have a science or ethical standards (or a normal
level of sanity) it is hard for these 'therapy' professionals to
remain on topic. All they can say (in essense or effect) is: "see my
Ph.D." and "believe what I say and believe what I believe"
[P.S. No evidence that contradicts the above report could be presented.]
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Nazi control this group. Taleban rule is not OK!
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If "Patient ..." had been anon, she would definitely have been 'Brad'.
I think it is interesting to point out just how crazy the psychologists
in this newsgroup are. There has not been a single case of an
anonymous poster (i.e. where the local hosting IP or Internet Service
Provider could not be indentified) AND one who has posted negatively
about psychotherapy, that has not been said to be 'Brad'. Not one.
The psychologists here literally have collected every post by anon
posters that said anything bad about the field and weaved them into
a tall tail. They collected all posts that looked bad and that could
be misrepresented or put in a bad light and made like they all came
from one guy name 'Brad.' There is literally not a single case of
an anonymous poster who has said anything negative about psychotherapy
that has not been put on the list of hundreds of screen names the
psychologists here say are all Brad. To them "Bad" (their definition) =
'Brad'.
Not a single one in half a decade.
Not how far off are they? Well, a couple of years back Brad posted
and indicated which of the screen names (including several anon screen
names) were him. RESULT: NOT EVEN 1/4 OF THE ANON POSTER CAN BE
CONSIDERED TO BE 'BRAD' ON THE BASIS OF ANY REASONABLE EVIDENCE.
And recall that not a single anon poster who has posted against
psychotherapy has failed to be labeled as 'Brad'.
Now they gathered all the anon posts up and put together the most
outrageous accusations (many with no foundation) against one supposed guy
name 'Brad'. This is the bill-of-goods the psychologists here are
trying to sell (along with their bogus 'therapy'). There is only
one guy (and Erebus and Patient) who has ever been against them.
Otherwise all reasonable people see it their way, in their minds.
Here's their story (and they are definitely sticking to it):
In 6.5 years ONLY one anon poster has opposed psychotherapy. Moreover
this one guy (it follows) has done all the bad things -- though
surprisingly they have to misrepresent those things to make them
seem really bad or bad enough.
In addition to there being NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT OVER 3/4 of the
posts attributed to 'Brad' are 'Brad', there is still stuff in the
FAQ against Brad for which they literally have NO EVIDENCE against
anyone. There are claims they make that they have no evidence
ANYONE did. They just make charges and claims with no supporting
evidence. This is in addition to gross exaggerations and intentional
misrepresentations and lies.
Is it any wonder that the FAQ against 'Brad' is posted
by a known 'Net hoodlum who for years went by the name Taylor
Netscum* and hosted the FAQ page for alt.usenet.kooks and other
abusive web pages? Though the early versions of the 'Brad' FAQ were
written by the good pals of the psychologists --
Paul B. (sppm ombudsman) and Peter Hood -- AND though early version were
hosted on Peter Hood's own web site, the web page is now to much
unsubstantiated charges. libel/slander/defamation and just-plain-fiction
to be hosted by anyone who has any connections to the psychology field
or any other supposedly honest profession. The psychologists here do
not lack ability to put up a web page. They have web space.
A Footnote: Paraphrasing what has recently been said about Taylor
Jimenez (aka Taylor Netscum, and various other aliases).
Taylor has hosted several abusive and libelous/slanderous/defamatory
web pages on his lart.com abuse domain. Taylor Jimenez, the cheapest and
stupidest
punk on Usenet, was recently hosting the libelous web page on a subdomain of
_databasix.com_ -- another know abuse domain which it seems is
associated with at least one child molester. Now quoting a recent poster:
"Taylor Jimenez, of Newport Beach, CA simply gets his power on the
Internet by spending $25 a month here or there to run abuse domains.
Takes no brains, no sense, and no ethics. Just take money. Taylor
"helps out" in unique ways by buying abuse domain space to help whoever
he wants to. That power turns the sick bastard, Taylor, (now associated
with an abuse domain used by a child molestor) on. "Gee I can do this
big thing, like put up a web page and everyone will bow to me and
think I am cool." This is Jimenez's "thinking," if you can call it
that. "I don't participate in the newsgroup and don't know what is
going on, but I will determine who is an asshole from what I hear and
determine who will have free speech and who won't" (more Jimenez
"thinking") -- such is the great power of a dummy with a little spare
cash who knows how to FTP. Well, I for one, will mention Jimenez
every time "his page" is mentioned. It goes in the archive and in
the existing record on "Taylor" Jimenez -- dummy punk. Taylor
Jimenez is a coward who does nothing for himself and helps out others
when he thinks it will make him look cool.
Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach CA, but in fact
he is too stupid to make his own web page, so turned to another
nobody . Who knows who taught "Taylor"
Jimenez to use a FAQ sender. That 3 sec. operation might involve
one more step than Taylor can do. The perv-pal can do about one button
press and that is all. Spending a little money here and there is
all fat ass Jimenez can muster -- what most people can do at three
years old."
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: How about I forge Dr. Packer's e-mail in ny.general? Will that make you happy GArY?
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All you guys abusing in and forging and spamming to mn.general:
How about I send the quote of the erebus post to ny.general?
Would you like that? Perhaps if Dr. Packer's pals are going
to stalk and harass and forge for her in mn local newsgroups,
perhaps they should get a post called: "Leslie Packer: Bad
local psychologist" with just the erebus post as the message
body. Don't tempt me.
There are likely some nice ones for the other psychologists I
could find as well to inform the poor people that might be misguided
enough to come to them for help.
At least it would be real evidence with no illegal forgery involved
like we minnesotans are seeing in mn.general for about 5 days now.
Don't tempt me.
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Psychologist/Child Molester/Hacker Punks in alt.2600 Connection
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Path: The psychologists here know that their pals use the services of a
convicted child molester named Gary L. Burnore. He was convicted of
inappropriate behavior with HIS GIRLFRIEND'S DAUGHTER. REPORTS HAVE
INDICATED THAT THOUGH THE DAUGHTER WAS 17 WHEN GARY WAS CONVICTED, THE
INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR BEGAN WHEN THE LITTLE GIRE WAS 15.
Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez, the owner of the lart.com domain now only has
access to a subdomain owed and controlled by a convicted child molester,
Gary L. Burnore. Plus, the well-beloved-by-pals-of psychologists domain
databasix is owned by this convicted pervert. Much of the Usenet services
and other Internet services that the psychologists in this newsgroup admire
so much are "courtesy" of a stalking malicious forger and child molester
named Gary L. Burnore. Many people praised and well-loved by the
psychologists here are associated with this convicted child molester.
Psychologists have used the services of Taylor Netscum Jimenez, a close
associate of this child molester for years. You all met Taylor during a one
year malicious posting campaign on alt.usenet.kooks -- a newsgroup
controlled for a whole year by psychologists and sppm moderators who wanted
complete control of the psychology newsgroup to sanatize and censor all of
them. Just the facts. OF COURSE, psychologists, YOU HAVE KNOWN YOU AND
YOUR FRIENDS HAVE BEEN CONNECTED WITH THE SERVICES OF A CONVICTED CHILD
MOLESTER FOR WELL OVER A YEAR NOW, HAVEN'T YOU ??
Quoting an earlier post from another:
Proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child molestor:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
(end quote)
Also see http://archives.mfn.org/ for the detailed evidence of one of Gary
L. Burnore's crimes. Without Burnore's services over the years the
psychologist here and their pals could not have conducted the harassment the
do regularly and "anonymously". Databasix, the perv domain, is the
unaccountable abuse domain they use.
Dear uu.net :
I am SENDING you ALL of the posts (also all forgeries)
that came through (*.ru) These have been traced as far back as
david.remote.net AND IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF INVOLVEMENT OF
DATABASIX OR WILHELP.COM -- WHICH YOU ARE ULTIMATELY REPONSIBLE FOR,
YOU SHOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION AND CANCEL YOUR CONTRACT WITH
THAT ABUSE DOMAIN.
IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT APPROPRIATE ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN:
Until I had to quit my att.net account YESTERDAY due to abuse from
others, I was altshift@att.net.
All of the following posts, out of your service represent true forgeries,
using MY real name and email address.
This is a crime, as is malicious defamation -- which is also occurring.
Please ABSOLUTELY DO cancel this persons account. In addition to abusing
me he is spamming and abusing a teen support newsgroup.
PLEASE ALSO PROVED ME (AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS PRESENTLY SHOWN) ALL EVIDENCE
YOU HAVE OF WHO THE ABUSE OUT OF YOUR DOMAIN IS. I WANT TO PURSUE POLICE
ACTION.
Please cancel this person's account immediately to avoid police action
against your company.
Sincerely, Brad Jesness (the real one)
All these posts are forgeries:
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Psychologist/Child Molester/Hacker Punks in alt.2600 Connection!
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SOME DETAILS: A Web Page written by Paul Bernhardt (sppm ombudsman) and by
long time pal of psychologists, Peter Hood (Masters degree in forensic
psychology, Leicester Univ., U.K.), was directly hosted on a domain owned
and managed by the child molestor. Charges both false and misrepresented
that could only come from a psychologist where on that page. The
association between psychologists and known hoodlums and even a known perv
is really rather direct. Unless, you want to argue that the psychologists
and their pals did not know that Taylor Jimenez was hosting THEIR web page.
Truth is anyone is okay to psychologists as long as they are on the side of
the psychologists!!!
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Psychologist/Child Molester/Hacker Punks in alt.2600 don't belong here!
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Based on the sppFAQ that has been posted here several times and that is
easy to find in google.com: No one has ever presented any evidence that I
was ever in trouble with the A.P.A. In fact, I did fine when a certain sick
psychologist filed an ethics complaint with the A.P.A. against me. I
continued to be an associate member in good standing!! I did finally resign
from the A.P.A., apparently disgusted with them. They repeated begged me to
rejoin. (Ironically, the sick psychologist who filed charges against me
HERSELF had a complaint filed against her with the A.P.A. Too bad that this
unethical psychologist QUIT the A.P.A. before the charges against her could
be reviewed -- I did not do this cowardly thing. My behavior was reviewed
and seen to be ethical.)
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: History of what is right and wrong in this group.
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Story of the spp newsgroup (in brief)(7 years summarized):
After a year and a half of debating with certain person, a debate this
person won because the field had no good citations and offerred up only ones
that were bogus (for example, one supposed study to make their point was
written only in a journal in Chinese and only available at a university
in the California (or was it Oregon)!!) -- the old deja record, now
supposedly part of google, would make for some very fun reading here (use
search terms: Grohol, Chinese ...))
[Then A NEW LEADER APPEARS FOR THE 'THERAPISTS' (a psychologist who is out
of courtesy referred to by her own self-adopted "handle", Peter Hood #2]
Then, the evil "therapists" turned to: about a year and a half of making
baseless accusations over and over and over again and again in this
newsgroup and began some of their anonymous and FAQ campaigns. The first
anon posts which occurred in this newsgroup were pro-therapy and FREQUENT.
A special device to encourage and enable anon email abuse and the filing of
anon bogus complaints was set up by the psychologist who founded this
newsgroup. This did not work.
Then, the evil "therapists" turned to: spending much or most of their time
befriending the hoodlum leaders of alt.usenet.kooks and voting for people as
kooks and voting people as "not human". Peter Hood #1 made his threats of
illegal activity during this period and behaved shamelessly, since he was
not yet in psychology graduate school yet. (His behavior, out of necessity,
is now better -- unless he is one of the anon hoodlums) That did not work.
Then the evil "therapists" began enlisting the help of whoever, Usenet's
most notorious and nasty hoodlums (such as those from
alt.hackers.malicious). They have supported and aided and abetted these
terrorists for over a year now. Yes, indeed, they expressly turned to
hoodlums with a history of inappropriate behavior. THIS WILL NOT WORK.
IT IS DOUBTFUL PSYCHOLOGISTS WILL FIGURE OUT WHAT DOES WORK EVEN THOUGH
THE ANSWERS TO THE FIELD'S PROBLEMS APPEARS HERE REGULARLY. Some of the
best psychologists in the field agree with the science FAQ posted here
monthly. The psychologists defend against testing themselves as they would
have to in order to establish a science BY AGGRESSING (they have done over 5
years now).
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Peter Hood, I do not admire you at all.
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Virtually all the psychologists in this newsgroup have Peter Hood #s
which they assigned to themselves FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF THE SECOND
PSYCHOLOGIST LEADER OF THIS NEWSGROUP (SHE SO ASHAMED OF HER BEHAVIOR
SHE IS NO DOUBT GLAD TO BE REFERRED TO BY HER SELF-APPOINTED TITLE
"PETER HOOD #2" -- a title she gave herself after Peter Hood
threatened physical assault multiple times). This newsgroup leader
obvious worked in close cooperation with Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez,
who in turn worked in close cooperation with Gary L. Burnore.
The abuse domain run by a convicted child molester is still supported
by leading psychology people in this newsgroup. So are people who
have never contributed any content whatsoever to any decent newsgroup
(Taylor Jimenez has NO record of decent posts, nor do Crawdad,
ICEMAN, and several other often-named friends of the psychologists
in this newsgroup.) In fact, after courting hoodlums with hundreds
of posts to hacker newsgroups, Peter Hood #2 was the very first to
wish one of these disgusting hoodlums a "Happy Birthday". Yep, a
actual licensed psychologist (Peter Hood #2) was the first to wish
one of this newsgroups disruptive hoodlums an "HappY Birthday". This
came after he had made many illegal threats as well.
Kim Barnard just continues in the same tradition. Make nasty friends
and get them to attack on-topic appropriate posters you do not like.
Then advertise your friendship to this group of abject hoodlums.
Peter Hood (masters degree in forensic psychology from Leicester U.
in the U.K.) also supports the long standing tradition of encouraging
contentless hoodlums who do not belong here to attack people who make
on-topic appropriate posts they do not like. He relishes in the idea
that some poster he thinks is "Brad" is "OWNED" by such a hoodlum.
AND RECALL THAT PETER
HOOD IS EXPRESSLY ONE OF THE MOST ADMIRED PALS OF ALL THE REGULAR
PSYCHOLOGISTS HERE IN THIS NEWSGROUP.
In short, this newsgroup is clearly connected with hoodlums through
the leading psychologists and their pals here. IT IS A DISGRACE,
BUT IT IS A FACT!!!
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Was Kali molested by GArY from Databasix?
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The web site repeatedly noted by Kali, aka Kim (Kym) Barnard, is a subdomain
of the malicious abuse domain databasix.com Wilhelp is just a subdomain of
that vanity domain owned and run by Gary L. Burnore, convicted child
molester. Kim Barnard is an sppm moderator. No grad. school will ever have
this abusive psyc. grad. and she will soon learn her B.S. is useless.
Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez is now using his good perv pal's web resources to
host the malicious, false and libelous web pages originally written by Paul
Bernhardt (sppm ombudsman) and Peter Hood #1 -- a most admired pal of
virtually all the evil psychologists in this newsgroup. In short the
connection between psychologists and the abusive Internet hoodlums and their
child molestor pals is about as direct as you could imagine. Also note: As
new allegations were made by psychologists (though both false and
misrepresented) they appeared on Taylor Jimenez's web page and were
knowingly hosted on the domain owned and operated by the convicted child
molestor, Gary L. Burnore. A North Carolina official web page (at the
bottom) clearly notes the conviction of Gary L. Burnore as a child molester.
Still today, Kim Barnard (Kali of lart.com, associated directly with Taylor
(Netscum) Jimenez) supports this hoodlum and the abuse domain of the child
molestor:
Quoting an earlier post from another:
Proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child molestor:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
(end quote)
Also see http://archives.mfn.org/ for the detailed evidence of one of Gary
L. Burnore's crimes. Without Burnore's services over the years the
psychologist here and their pals could not have conducted the harassment the
do regularly and "anonymously". Databasix, the perv domain, is the
unaccountable abuse domain they use.
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Was Kali molested by a web domain owner? It appears so.
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It has been proven that the convicted child molestor, Gary L. Burnore, owns
and operates wilhelp.com Other than the fact that he has clearly indicated
this himself in a post to this newsgroup, the following has been
established:
**Complaints made about wilhelp.com eventually get a response from
the perv, Gary L. Burnore, or more specifically from databasix.com
-- a domain KNOWN to be his and on record as his, WHEN validly
listed in the past:
DataBasix (DATABASIX-DOM)
150 Haight Street, Suite 507
San Francisco, CA 94102-5744
USA
Domain Name: DATABASIX.COM
Administrative Contact:
Burnore, Gary L (GB335) mailto:gburnore@DATABASIX.COM
415/431-6316 (FAX) 415/431-5383
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Wicinski, Tim (TW40) mailto:tim@MEER.NET
+1.415.428.7111 (FAX) +1.415.967.0689
Billing Contact:
Giannandrea, Carol (CG410) mailto:cg@MEER.NET
415 428 7111
Record last updated on 20-Aug-96.
Record created on 30-May-95.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS.MEER.NET 140.174.164.2
CORP.TIG.COM 198.178.129.31
Wells Fargo (WELLSFARGO-DOM)
201 3rd Street
San Francisco, CA 94163
Domain Name: WELLSFARGO.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Jones, D J. (DJ167) mailto:djjones@WELLSFARGO.COM
4154777624
Record last updated on 06-Nov-96.
Record created on 28-Apr-93.
Domain servers in listed order:
GATEKEEPER.WELLSFARGO.COM 192.246.108.4
SHERIFF.WELLSFARGO.COM 204.30.29.4
The present listing FOR wilhelp.com
is admitted to be not accurate (see below), it says:
> David Kendrick (WILHELP-DOM)
> 2007 Crestview Way
> Woodstock, GA 30188
Taylor has informed us otherwise in this newsgroup. Also, the perv Gary
tries to have the present owner of databasix.com disguised by being anon,
like the perv coward he is, but it is KNOWN to still be his vanity domain
and include wilhelp.com as a subdomain. Taylor's own statements in this
newsgroup verify this:
**Taylor Jimenez says he bought the domain from the presently FALSELY
listed owner/operator and "gave it to a friend" (see post in this
newsgroup) (obviously the "friend" turned out to be none other than
the perv Gary L. Burnore).
Just for laughs, lets see what the lying pervert who denied wrong-doing here
for weeks actually says in one of his confessions:
Quoting the perv, Gary L. Burnore (a man who interacted with his GIRL
FRIEND'S daughter -- and the mother is reported to have said the
inappropriate behavior actually began when the girl was just 15 yr. old:
"I never heard from anyone, and kinda (wrongly) figured that the
registration would be kicked out, since the NC statute wasn't even
comparable. So much for assumptions. There has been no decision as to if my
name will remain on the NC list or not.
I was not convicted of a Felony. I was convicted of a misdemenor. The victim
was 18 before the sentencing date in March 1997. She was 17 in November of
1996. I did not plead to lesser charges. I did not do any of the horrible
things covered by the NC statute I've been registered under.
You know what's so damn frustrating about this? I chose to talk to a
councelor about this even though I knew it would bring charges. I was doing
the right thing. I did the right thing by not dragging it to a jury trial. I
did the right thing by regestering and I've done the right thing by paying
my fines,. court costs and obeying the terms of my probation. But none of
that seems to matter. The punishment just goes on and on and on.
Some of you will ask how I can prove any of this. I'll put a copy of the
charging document on a website. You can see the crime I was charged with and
link to a site on the CA gov page that defines it. If anyone really wants to
know more, they can do their own research. I would imagine that if I
published any statements written by the girl that it would be a violation of
law. Even if it weren't, I wouldn't do it, because it's not right.
Some of you will still then insist that it's not enough and you don't
believe me. I don't care. I don't have to tell you anything. This isn't
something that even needs to be discussed on Usenet but since it's been
brought up I've decided to do this much. That's it.
I want to thank all of those who have sided not with me, not the 17 year
old, but with justice. The posting to the WWW of this sort of informaiton is
not justice. It is continuation of the punishment levied in court. I believe
the federal law that prompted the creation of these kind of databases was
meant to protect all of the people, not punish some of them. It's a shame
that NC doesn't place the same kind of restrictions on use of the
information as some other states do." (end of perv quote)
Proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child molestor:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
(end quote)
Also see http://archives.mfn.org/ for the detailed evidence of one of Gary
L. Burnore's crimes. Without Burnore's services over the years the
psychologist here and their pals could not have conducted the harassment the
do regularly and "anonymously". Databasix, the perv domain, is the
unaccountable abuse domain they use.
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Hacker thugs support child molesters. Go away.
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You all should go away.
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Iceman likes to take it up the ass by child molesters and hackers
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Can one on-topic post be shown for: ICEMAN, Crawdad (now posting as
Yomma or some damned stupid thing like that), or Client Lartvocate??
Nope. They are hoodlums befriended during a 3 month period where
a leading psychologist posted ** 300 + ** off-topic, friendship-making posts
to hacker newsgroups OR during a PREVIOUS one year period where this same
sick psychologist posted over 600 times to alt.usenet.kooks (likely where
the Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez friendship developed). (This psychologist was
the psychologist leader of this newsgroup at the time and had been for a
couple of years. She is now considered a disgrace to the field and shunned
by all.)
Just the truth. I know the truth hurts, but it is the truth and many things
still in this newsgroup PROVE it even not again and again, over and over.
The psychologists here are discredited. The entire world laughs at them.
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: What was Peter Hood's previous name before he became a criminal?
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Peter Hood has never revealed what his name WAS before his
name change. He also showed immediate and great concern about a
email address (_NOT_ an IP) that would link him to the same
exact location where some nasty guy worked. Moreover, Peter claimed
to have heard from or seen posts by this guy he was being confused
with YET NO ONE else ever saw anything posted by this guy. I suggest
that Leicester U. or whereever else Peter might associate investigate
this guy's past. "Peter Hood's" past is suspicious.
Any forensic people Peter "Hood" might work
with (given he has a masters degree in forensic psychology from Leicester
U., England) might be well-advised to look into this matter. Peter Hood,
who has
posted to Usenet NOT ANON, but with several true aliases and who has
expressly indicated intent to commit illegal actions warrants investigation.
Dear uu.net :
I am SENDING you ALL of the posts (also all forgeries)
that came through (*.ru) These have been traced as far back as
david.remote.net AND IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF INVOLVEMENT OF
DATABASIX OR WILHELP.COM -- WHICH YOU ARE ULTIMATELY REPONSIBLE FOR,
YOU SHOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION AND CANCEL YOUR CONTRACT WITH
THAT ABUSE DOMAIN.
IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT APPROPRIATE ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN:
Until I had to quit my att.net account YESTERDAY due to abuse from
others, I was altshift@att.net.
All of the following posts, out of your service represent true forgeries,
using MY real name and email address.
This is a crime, as is malicious defamation -- which is also occurring.
Please ABSOLUTELY DO cancel this persons account. In addition to abusing
me he is spamming and abusing a teen support newsgroup.
PLEASE ALSO PROVED ME (AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS PRESENTLY SHOWN) ALL EVIDENCE
YOU HAVE OF WHO THE ABUSE OUT OF YOUR DOMAIN IS. I WANT TO PURSUE POLICE
ACTION.
Please cancel this person's account immediately to avoid police action
against your company.
Sincerely, Brad Jesness (the real one)
All these posts are forgeries:
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: The problem with you hackers & nazi control freaks.
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Here's the "beef": all the psychologists, hacks, and other perverts
would not be involved at all or with "Brad" personally if he did
NOT hold the following valid views that have been affirmed and
highly praised by leading professors in the field (the very few of
them that have balls) The history of the newsgroup show that
all the attacks on "Brad" are due to people trying to silence the
following views (good research shows this is true -- Brad FAQs and
personal and anon attacks and groundless accusations made in a
stalking and harassing manner virually all followed the posting
of these views and any scientific investigation shows this):
Quoting:
All should agree that the following is an appropriate and civil FAQ about
psychotherapy. Further, all have seemed to agree that presenting
appropriate
FAQs on a monthly basis is appropriate. It therefore is my intention to
post the FAQ below monthly. From here on I an quoting a previous anon
poster:
The Answers to Science FAQs on Psychotherapy (below) will describe in
detail why
the following brief summary statement is as true today as it has ever been:
"After you match people for everything except psyc training, there is no
evidence psychologists are better at ANY noteworthy human skill or
activity. This is an absolute fact. What they have are meaningless
credentials, empirically speaking."
All the information in the FAQ below is completely current and accurate. It
is
as true today as it has ever been, perhaps moreso since the psychotherapy
field continues to pretend to science and operate in a fraudulent way. All
the information in the 2 links referred to is also completely factual
and accurate.
The science FAQ below describes MAJOR issues and questions that
are essential for the foundation of any science of psychotherapy, but
which have not been dealt with or adequately addressed in any way by the
profession. The issues are as important as ever and nothing is being
done to rectify the situation. There can be no real foundation for
psychotherapy or any efficient advancement until and unless these issues
are dealt with. The Amer. Psychol. Assoc. actively avoids dealing with any
of these
questions in any reasonable, proper way.
Issue 1, Regarding who are good counselors (cute title for issue):
"We can't 'Just Go With The Best' UNTIL We can
Determine what CONSTITUTES "the Best" and make sure we know where to
concentrate training to make "THE Best" otherwise we won't really have
the best and won't really get the best. Okay ?"
[Let me deal with your confusion from my title (above) by trying to
state the issue still briefly,
but more simply: If you don't know what good peer counselors can do or
what they can easily be trained to do and handle, you will not know
where you really need SPECIALLY trained (long trained) individuals or
the problems that they especially need to be trained for.
Trying for ten
words or less: "If you don't make comparisons with regular good people,
you don't know what you got." (scientifically speaking) (Sorry, 15 words.)]
OK, Let's take a look at this specific issue in a little more detail:
A major set of FOUNDATION research studies for the
counseling/"therapy" field has not yet been done. AND indeed, ONLY 3
CONTROLLED studies (the last in 1979 !) have been done comparing the
effects of counseling from professionals *with* counseling from "other
reasonable helpers" (with no professional grad. training). THIS, in
spite of the fact that these best studies in the area essentially show
that other REASONABLE helpers do as well for arguably a broad range of
problems. These studies, at the same time, indicate the other helpers
are an ethical comparison group, having been found *good* for a broad
range of problems for which counseling is most often sought. More
recently much research shows peer counselors in colleges to be VERY
helpful (though their performance is NOT directly compared to that of
professional helpers in these studies).
ANYWAY, these studies are NEEDED to show where professionals ARE
really needed AND where treatments need to be developed (as is, this
situation REMAINS VERY UNCLEAR). These studies might well also indicate
the desirability of other mental health care provider roles (like well
selected and well-trained peer counselors and/or more extensively
trained paraprofessionals).
Now to the "ethics" matter (the first defense of the many backing the
status quo in the field): Not only have other reasonable helpers been
shown effective for a broad range of problems in past studies, BUT ALSO:
"other helpers" (peer counselors or "paras"), used as a comparison group
to professionals (professionals who are licensed & grad.-trained), would
ETHICALLY only have to be NO WORSE than the NO TREATMENT groups (or
waitlist control groups) used today OR NO WORSE than the placebo
controls used today for the study to be considered ethical. *AS WITH*
the types of studies now done, clients treated by peer counselors OR
"paras" could be offered professional care AFTER the study. (Today
waitlist people wait up to around 3 months for treatment -- they just
wait until the other exactly equivalently disturbed group is treated.)
AGAIN: Without these studies we do NOT KNOW where professionals are
really needed or most needed. Areas where treatment developments are
most needed are not being identified. (I hope readers appreciate these
and other LIKELY negative effects ON CLIENTS of an inexcusable LACK of
work in certain, basic areas of FOUNDATION RESEARCH.) Also, a
reasonable, delineated mental health care SYSTEM (with a variety of
helpers or at least specializations) is NOT being developed. IT REALLY
CAN'T BE FROM ONE STANDPOINT: *BASIC FOUNDATION* RESEARCH IS
*NECESSARY*. There are many things about which one cannot conclude
without clear research.
---------
Issue #2: (not so cute title): "If you want to have a good
classification system (and you MUST if you want to be any kind of
scientist), THEN you must do work on making your diagnostic (or
classification) system understandable. You must at the most basic level
set up definitions so people show agreement on diagnoses (or formal
classification)" This requires research DEVELOPING interrater
reliability SURROUNDING the specific diagnostic criteria (PER SE) --
i.e. as written -- between each "revision" of said criteria. This is
rarely done.
Regarding the therapists' major guide for objectivity, the Diagnostic
and Stat. Manual of the Amer. Psychiatric Assoc.: It is without question
that one could develop criteria-through-procedures that show MUCH better
inter-rater agreement than the DSM. The last time the Amer. Psychia.
Assoc. published and reported COLLECTED reliability data (within the DSM
itself (DSM III)), there was only a r=.7 correlation between clinicians
AS TO WHETHER a client had a disorder in the Mood Disorder GROUP (or
NOT). SIMILARLY, there was an equally low level of agreement on whether
a client had a disorder in an Anxiety CATEGORY (or NOT) (quite
inadequate!!). (Often there is disagreement on whether a disorder is an
Anxiety Disorder or a Mood Disorder.) AND this is all beside the issue
that today's "diagnoses" are possibly good for very little and possibly
often more destructive than constructive. VERY VERY little work was done
investigating the inter-rater reliability of criteria *between* DSM-III
and the meeting of the DSM-IV committee to define "new" diagnostic
"options." In fact, only 14 of the top 40 diagnoses had ANY inter-rater
reliability data generated on their criteria in the 15 years since
DSM-III (source: DSM-IV Sourcebook, Vol. 2). Judging by the "new" ICD-10
criteria and their inter-rater reliabilities, we can expect the DSM-IV
diagnostic criteria to show little better inter-rater reliabilities than
DSM-III (the DSM-IV criteria were made to be very similar and consistent
with ICD-10).
To comfort us in some way a number of therapists say "we don't like
diagnoses either." A GOOD RETORT:
I don't care about diagnoses, but you still need good definitions
THROUGH THE PROCEDURES YOU USE within an agency to have the minimum
science standard -- decent inter rater agreement. Otherwise you cannot
discuss anything clearly with any others (you can't communicate). I am
in no way comforted by the INDIVIDUAL therapist making his decisions in
idiosyncratic ways, with way too little accountability. (It is a
principle: power corrupts. Without accountability or communication you
will have an inappropriate degree of power BECAUSE it is in no way
appropriately negotiated, sanctioned, or scientifically monitored.)
I am quite aware that "therapists" often do not use the DSM. They VERY
often do not use ANY proven diagnostic OR CLASSIFICATION system. They
think what ever they want and do whatever they want. I can't believe
that people can possibly be given doctorates in this area (esp.
given I have well shown that clinicians are in NO real sense whatsoever
"science-practitioner" -- in NO sense at all).
See http://psychfacts.cjb.net for more.
------
Issue #3: (not cute at all) :
"Claims of Being "Science-Practitioners" are Fraudulent,
Misleading and Scientifically Unethical"
People of science should do the main basic science practices when and
where they can (e.g. in their own local agencies or professional
group).
To be a "science-practitioner" you must do some science practice, not
just read science (or in this case read a hodgepodge of poor science and
speculatively "extrapolate").
To be a "science-practitioner" you must clearly and regularly engage in
some science procedure. Extrapolating from studies done in the
irony tower is NOT practicing science. In fact, it is doing NOTHING
special OR professional at all. Such a person is acting just as a lay
reader of science and unless the practitioner uses the results of the
single study (or much more rare, a study program)
*directly* and in a controlled manner, he is only speculating.
In NO substantial way is their any truth to the claim that clinical
psychologists, etc. are science practitioners. Clinical
psychologists do not have the discipline to establish good operational
definitions WITHIN AGENCIES (e.g. for defining (i.e. diagnosing)
personality disorders). NO PROGRESS CAN BE MADE UNDER THESE
CIRCUMSTANCES (and many other similar problems-in-science cases).
Because they are not scientists they cannot progress OR really work
well together. They cannot self-evaluate. DSM criteria are so far from
good operational definitions, I would not dignify them with the word
"criteria." I know of no counselor or agency that has made any credible
attempt at scientific respectability (or any that could be argued to be
doing such). It is simply pitiful and inexcusable. Practice, as is, is
actually an abuse of power and taking advantage of vulnerable
populations. Someday such practice may result in law suits. Using
diagnostic procedures that do lead to excellent inter-rater agreement is
certainly possible today, not only at some level but at a useful level.
At present counselors and therapists don't even respect each other.
Since I am trained in psychology myself I know what is meant when it is
said that therapists are "trained in scientific methods." Trouble is
they engage in no regular (much less integral) scientific PROCEDURES in
the normal or typical conduct of their work. This is true to such a
degree it is unacceptable. And it is true of all therapists I know of.
Again, their failure to develop operational definitions of personality
disorders that at least show excellent within agency inter-rater
reliability is an excellent illustration. There is correspondingly a
lack of proven agreement on the application of procedures (loosely called
"therapies") and on the assessment of results IN actual practice. The
field itself recognizes deficiencies in how "therapies" are considered
"validated." (Obviously with this problem most treatments should NOT be
termed "therapies.")
The fact that the idea of scientific procedure INTEGRAL in a therapist's
daily work makes no sense to many therapists is not surprising. THERE
ARE NONE!! I would hope you could see a problem there. While
psychologists hear a lot about scientific methods, they do not learn to
use them in an integrated and realistic way (even in the "ivory tower"). No
wonder when the controls of grad. school are gone and no others exist
(as it is with most therapists), even the mock "science" behavior no longer
occurs. ...
....
My definition of minimally acting "in accord WITH science" is: that
one clearly makes use of a set of procedures (yielding determinations
and
clear actions), from diagnoses through treatment through assessment of
results, that *ALL* have shown or proven their inter-rater reliabilities
(start to finish at each step of the process). OR, at a minimum,
demonstrating
MOVEMENT in this direction by working together with fellow professionals
and progressively demonstrating interrater reliabilities.
Achieving the objective indicated is analogous to good
diagnoses and treatment in medicine. Respectable, systematic MOVEMENT
in this direction is essential (and the minimum) for anyone to validly
call themselves a "science-practitioner". This does NOT go on today.
To be a scientist one must WORK WITH OTHERS in an integral
(day-to-day) way so better and better and more and more inter-rater
reliabilities are shown or so studies are replicated at a good rate.
And, all this should be linked to concrete
things that have been agreed upon as important and such a system of
proceeding should be linked to more and more good consequences (results)
and account for (and allow control of) more and more phenomenon. Then
you would be a science-practitioner, one who PRACTICES science oneself.
----
FOOTNOTE:
The way progress in developing "better"
diagnostic criteria proceeds today illustrates what is wrong with the
way things operate and are done today. It displays the lack of appreciation
for the grassroots INDUCTIVE work that, it seems to me, has to be done.
True, the "diagnostic options" decided on by the DSM COMMITTEES every
decade or so *are tested* AFTER THE FACT for inter-rater reliability.
BUT, the problem is:
Do you wait for rare committee meetings to try to piece together a set
of best "options" on a relatively rare basis OR do you strive for better
reliabilities for criteria *AND better criteria* more often, on a more
local level ?? Yes, PEOPLE must first have "guesses" about what might be
better criteria and *then* investigate them. BUT this need not ALL be
done by rare committees ALONE doing this work. Doing virtually all such
diagnostic development work JUST by committee (meeting every decade
or so) is loaded on a hypothetico-deductive side as opposed to a
grassroots, more inductive, discovery (and yes, trial and error)
approach.
One could argue that INDEED you DO (and MUST) **DISCOVER*** the
better criteria, rather than formulate them en masse in our heads during
"big committee" meetings. What our present attitude suggests, and what
is done now, is the figuring of nature out in our heads and then (only
afterward) testing your limited range of relatively constrained ideas.
Wouldn't it be better for some local consistent (**everyday**) work to
go on to find criteria that are understandable and show (demonstrate)
inter-rater reliabilities and also relate to disorders? SHOULDN'T THIS
AT LEAST BE DONE *IN ADDITION* TO THE inter-rater reliability work
associated every decade or so with "committee work" ? PRESENTLY THIS
IS NOT DONE, AND I WOULD ARGUE IS ONE BIG THING THAT HOLDS UP
DEVELOPMENT OF THE FIELD. We are basically both being pompous and
pretentious, while at the same time abdicating basic science
responsibilities.
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Is "Client Lartvocate" the child molestor GArY?
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Is "Client Lartvocate" the child molestor himself? My bet is YES!!
Gary L. Burnore, convicted child molestor, known Usenet forger and stalker
and harasser. The proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child
molestor:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Re: This is the newsgroup Dr. Leslie Packer ruined.
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Indeed, this is the unethical psychologists' newsgroup. So were
the 300 posts making pals with hacker hoodlums and the 1000 posts
making pals with punks in alt.usenet.kooks a year or 2 before that.
John Price, Dan Rogers (sppm moderators) et al basicly solicited the abuse
here.
Price actually begged for it. And, THE malicious web page content was
updated to
reflect their distinct contributions (esp. Peter Hood's). Yep, I'm talkin'
about the very web page hosted by Taylor Jimenez and with the clear
knowledge
and support of the domain owner himself (no other than the convicted
child molester, Gary L. Burnore). The roots of this newsgroup are
firmly linked to hoodlums and even to those that threaten and do illegal
behaviors. The cause of ALL this is the solicitation of psychologists.
Psychologists would rather have this newsgroup like this than face science
criticisms of their field EVEN THOUGH THIS IS (supposedly)
sci.psychology.psychotherapy. The world has seen the newsgroup for the sham
it is and know well that psychologists have made this newsgroup what it
is today.
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Tom August is Iceman.
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I have been harassed by a guy calling himself ICEMAN. I have found certain
information on his identity. His headers are quite unique and traceable
and matchable to the signature "Iceman" and several related addresses.
We know his real domain.
It is certain that the "Iceman" is one Tom August, alias res072bx@gte.net
and alias "SoCal Tom" Here is the rest of the information I have on him
The person in charge of his domain is: csoulia@genuity.net
The main newsgroup he participates on is 24hoursupport.helpdesk but he
also posts to ba.broadcast because he works at a radio station
(see quoted post below)
Iceman also has the address: Ic3man@hotmail.com AND
From: "SoCal Tom" <chupacabra@vampire.boo>
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Subject: Re: Sacto Radio; was:RE coffee to ticket 1050/KPAY 1060 dark/loss,
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"Dann" <djs@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:8inK7.118855$WW.7453261@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "SoCal Tom" <chupacabra@vampire.boo> wrote in message
> news:WglK7.1$%s3.5172@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> >
> > Was his name Joe Shea, by any chance??
>
> That's the guy!
OK! Wow! Joe Shea was the guy who hired me off the street at KSFM (96.9). (I
had commercial on-air experience previously at a Top-40 station, but wanted
to visit the operation. I was fresh out of the military and was sort of
looking for a gig.) He's one guy you didn't want to smoke a cigarette around
for fear of explosion. Loaded to the gills, he was an OK sort; but when he
was sober, he was holy hell.
At the time, KSFM was owned by a group of investors (a few doctors and a
lawyer or two) and Joe was the GM and chief sales guy. If he went out
selling, and sold a package, he'd drink half of the account's check before
he got to the station. Joe got himself fired a month after I started there.
After all of these years, it is making some sense now. I was always curious
about the seemingly close ties between KJML and KSFM. Logan T. (Bud)
Waterman took the helm of KSFM when Shea was canned; but he held a
"soft-spot" open for KJML. When there was a major problem at KJML, Bud would
head over, usually dragging me with him, and we'd fix the problem.
>
> Kerns would also call the control room and tell me to run certain spots
and
> his editorials, the log be damned. One time I'm sure he was somewhere
with
> a group of people when he called and had me run an anti abortion editorial
> he'd recorded. There was also the company who alledgedly had purchased a
> lifetime contract. The "Spudnuts" jingle ran constantly. Needless to
say,
> I didn't work there long. But the funny times are well remembered.
>
>
Oh yeah, then there was KATT/KRBT out in Woodland, but that's another story.
--
SoCal Tom
CAUTION: Eating, drinking, breathing and life can be hazardous to your
health.
Dammit! Dave's not here!!!
>
AND
tom.august@verizonDSLsucks.net)
res072bx (res072bx@gte.net)
res072bx
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: You assholes want to get personal again? You make me sick.
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You assholes want to get personal again? I thought you assholes were
against that. But, when you are in the wrong and proven wrong and
all you disgraceful friends are in a pickle, I guess that is all
you can do. Bite me.
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Beat it, Pedo.
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Just beat it, Pedo Burnore and quit with the abuse of all varieties.
Quit forging, quit with the socks, quit all your abusing (if you can ),
you stinking pervert.
Gary L. Burnore, convicted child molestor, known Usenet forger and stalker
and harasser. The proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child
molestor!!:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Odds are "Client Lartvocate" is GArY.
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Hey, Gary. If you quit forging and harassing and abusing people,
maybe the fact that you lied about what you did would not be
smeared in your face. People would leave you alone, if you leave
them alone. Otherwise you are screwed big time, Gary. You lose, Gary
Is "Client Lartvocate" the child molestor himself? My bet is YES!!
Gary L. Burnore, convicted child molestor, known Usenet forger and stalker
and harasser. The proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child
molestor!!!!!:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
Also see http://archives.mfn.org/ for the detailed evidence of one of Gary
L.
Burnore's crimes.
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Don't blame me.
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It is not my fault that Peter Hood and psychologists and others of their
pals have resorted to using known Internet hoodlums and convicted child
molesters to do their dirty work for them. Hell, all this started over 3 or
4 years ago with the 1000 or so posts by psychologists to alt.usenet.kooks,
voting people "not human", telling sincere people to fuck off and die,
starting an abuse newsgroup and so on. Only recently did "hackers"
(actually slimy punks) get courted by 300 posts BY PSYCHOLOGISTS to their
newsgroups befriending them. But the connection between Taylor and Burnore
and the psychologists and their friends pre-existed the hacker connection
by 2 years!!!
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Another one of psycho Peter's _TRUE_aliases - Max Wedge.
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All should realize that the very sick Max Wedge (a documented
psycho) is in all likelihood the punk Peter Hood HIMSELF --
yep, the same Peter Hood that more or less started all the
mischief here (but then tried to hide from his record when
he had to pretend to be respectable for a while when he was
getting his master's degree in Forensic Psyc., a known fraudulent
field, from Leicester Univ., U.K.)
Dear uu.net :
I am SENDING you ALL of the posts (also all forgeries)
that came through (*.ru) These have been traced as far back as
david.remote.net AND IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF INVOLVEMENT OF
DATABASIX OR WILHELP.COM -- WHICH YOU ARE ULTIMATELY REPONSIBLE FOR,
YOU SHOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION AND CANCEL YOUR CONTRACT WITH
THAT ABUSE DOMAIN.
IF YOU FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT APPROPRIATE ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN:
Until I had to quit my att.net account YESTERDAY due to abuse from
others, I was altshift@att.net.
All of the following posts, out of your service represent true forgeries,
using MY real name and email address.
This is a crime, as is malicious defamation -- which is also occurring.
Please ABSOLUTELY DO cancel this persons account. In addition to abusing
me he is spamming and abusing a teen support newsgroup.
PLEASE ALSO PROVED ME (AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS PRESENTLY SHOWN) ALL EVIDENCE
YOU HAVE OF WHO THE ABUSE OUT OF YOUR DOMAIN IS. I WANT TO PURSUE POLICE
ACTION.
Please cancel this person's account immediately to avoid police action
against your company.
Sincerely, Brad Jesness (the real one)
All these posts are forgeries:
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: No evidence "Client Lartvocate" is the NOT GArY.
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I am going to assume he is. Gary will be held accountable.
I will bury him unless he scurries off.
Hey, Gary. If you quit forging and harassing and abusing people, maybe the
fact that you lied about what you did would not be smeared in your face.
People would leave you alone, if you leave them alone. Otherwise you are
screwed big time, Gary. You lose, Gary
Gary L. Burnore, convicted child molestor, known Usenet forger and stalker
and harasser. The proof from the state of N. Carolina that he is a child
molestor!!!!!:
http://webapps.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender_servlets/offend1?DOCNUM=0594483&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1
(put address all on one line)
Also see http://archives.mfn.org/ for the detailed evidence of one of Gary
L. Burnore's crimes.
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Re: GArY Burnore Works There! (was Re: Need help with a hack)
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com and .net are not the same. The one Gary L. Burnore has been clearly
connected with because he was the admin that assigned several of their
255 available IPs was the .net domain. You are trying to cover-up real
good for your perv pal, though. You are fooling no one :
Registrant:
Ntrnet Systems, Inc.
5110 Stardust Drive
2nd Floor
Durham, NC 27712
US
Domain Name: NTRNET.NET
Sponsoring Reseller; for Technical Support
with respect to this domain contact:
Ntrnet Systems, Inc., dbs@ntrnet.net
919-484-0504
Administrative Contact:
Williams, Jim jaw12@ntrnet.net
5110 Stardust Drive
2nd Floor
Durham, NC 27712
US
919-484-0504
Technical Contact:
Tech, Domain domtech@ntrnet.net
2222 NC Hwy 54
Beta Bldg, Suite 340
Durham, NC 27713
US
919-484-0504
Billing Contact:
Williams, Jim jaw12@ntrnet.net
5110 Stardust Drive
2nd Floor
Durham, NC 27712
US
919-484-0504
Record last updated on 10-Dec-2001.
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Proof Databasix was hacked by pedo hating hackers.
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You will never see better evidence on Usenet. System records of
Gary L. Burnore where he deals with the IPs in question:
root:2xCNG84dN1Bls:0:3:DataBasix Operations:/:
kroot:OwpDWgFnm4x4E:0:3:NetBasix/DataBasix Operations:/:/bin/ksh
daemon:*:1:1:System daemons:/etc:
bin:*:2:2:Owner of system commands:/bin:
sys:*:3:3:Owner of system files:/usr/sys:
adm:*:4:4:System accounting:/usr/adm:
fax:NOLOGIN:5:5:Facsimile Agent:/usr/local/HylaFAX-v4.0/spool:
uucp:*:5:5:UUCP administrator:/usr/lib/uucp:
nuucp:*:6:5:Anonymous UUCP
site:/usr/spool/uucplogins/nuucp:/usr/lib/uucp/uucico
auth:*:7:21:Authentication administrator:/tcb/files/auth:
asg:*LK**:8:8:Assignable devices:/:
cron:*:9:16:Cron daemon:/usr/spool/cron:
sysinfo:*:11:11:System information:/usr/bin:
admin:25b7TmMJmk1lw:12:3:Web Administration:/www:/bin/ksh
news:jliXAGXJDDXA.:13:13:News:/inn:/bin/ksh
announce:mPnzZhA5p4tPU:14:13:News:/local/sysadm/announce:/bin/ksh
dos:*:16:11:DOS device:/:
mmdf:/4z7Bh8t4rT2o:17:11:Mailer:/usr/mmdf:
network:*:18:10:MICNET administrator:/usr/network:
backup:*:19:19:Backup
administrator:/usr/backup:/bin/shftp:99g2CIhytCy0I:20:50:Anonymous FTP
Account:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.161/sco_ftp:/bin/sh
majordom:1hT84Uv1CzwyA:24:24:Majordomo ID:/usr/majordom:/bin/ksh
netscape:H83tZIX/T44k2:25:25:Netscape:/www:/bin/false
nouser:LGTtt0PIqGvt2:28:28:System User:/:/bin/false
listen:*:37:4:Network daemons:/usr/net/nls:
lp:*:71:18:Printer administrator:/usr/spool/lp:
audit:*:79:17:Audit administrator:/tcb/files/audit:
gary:bJeeLH6uwlMcs:199:3:Gary L. Burnore:/local/sysadm/gary:/bin/ksh
informix:NowLDp7Qax01c:200:200:Informix Admin :/informix:/bin/ksh
gburnore:q2S0EdSsbak7M:201:3:Gary L.
Burnore:/local/sysadm/gburnore:/bin/ksh
eridani:tU7TOX3QutF7I:202:3:Belinda:/local/eridani:/bin/ksh
belinda:5sYfO3l.q5MQQ:202:3:Belinda:/local/eridani:/bin/ksh
plcymgmt:dBloFpntE9BeY:203:105:Policy Management
(Abuse):/local/sysadm/plcymgmt:/bin/ksh
bogus:rtIgyyqEP4YBk:204:3:Bogue mail drop:/local/sysadm/bogus:/bin/ksh
bulk:hvPEAqtyfuJsQ:205:3:Bulk Mail
Receiver:/local/sysadm/bulk:/bin/ksh
mjdadmin:VKb1bAGiAdDLo:206:3:MajordomoAdmin:/local/sysadm/mjdadmin:/bin/ksh
noc:CiUG/S51RCEec:207:3:Network Operations
Center:/local/sysadm/noc:/bin/ksh
zane:TKaTY06r04v1Q:208:3:Zane:/local/zane:/bin/ksh
zoe:RKHA2iIqRgVHA:209:3:Zoe:/local/zoe:/bin/ksh
dbadmin:jdT1o9DtX0NJ6:210:101:Admin for
206.66.160.161:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.161/publish:/bin/sh
dbiadmin:sx0WWZQHGZah.:211:50:Admin for
206.66.160.162:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.162/publish:/bin/ksh
hfwadmin:IvXJGWpaktMpw:212:101:Admin for
206.66.160.182:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.182/publish:/bin/sh
upaadmin:pPDhOyH0q6Oq6:213:101:Admin for
206.66.160.180:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.180/publish:/bin/sh
dpadmin:qT2IRnWIvP38Y:214:101:Admin for
206.66.160.181:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.181/publish:/bin/sh
ns1admin:EBEWzDy4HddVc:215:101:Admin for
206.66.160.169:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.169/publish:/bin/sh
ns2admin:*:216:101:Admin for
206.66.160.170:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.170/publish:/bin/sh
secadm1:HAOWWG4BpKcV.:217:101:Admin for
206.66.160.175:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.175/publish:/bin/sh
netbneta:q/TTo1kA3GKkw:218:101:Admin for
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206.66.160.176:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.176/publish:/bin/sh
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www2adm:2G.LHuzBPsfVc:223:101:Admin for
206.66.160.168:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.168/publish:/bin/ksh
netborga:DMo61IT1D0bNY:224:101:Admin for
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orgbia:RgYuUR87fi66A:225:101:Admin for
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combia:eolmA.0x7pqYM:226:101:Admin for
206.66.160.177:/usr/internet/ip/206.66.160.177/publish:/bin/sh
nobody:6aXqHwS8Q3gdo:239:50:NoBody:/local/nobody:/bin/ksh
aao:MvqTeFkj2peVA:241:201:Informix Audit Role
Account:/informix/7.3/aaodir:/bin/ksh
dbsso:0yu1Bh.K43d9A:242:202:Informix Security Role
Account:/informix/7.3/dbssodir:/bin/ksh
amfricon:/nWidbb8LN7Xw:250:50:alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info
moderator:/local/amfricon:/bin/ksh
wotan:rbyZ9YyGLJDiA:251:3:Wotan :/local/wotan:/bin/ksh
agent1:KlAlTnH9hQLb2:252:50:Agent_1:/local/agent1:/bin/ksh
negron:DiIU9vtIcYoYA:253:50:Bowling Pin Boy:/local/negron:/bin/ksh
delete:mQBMWUF7yvziM:254:50:Delete Me:/local/delete:/bin/ksh
jrdavis:voBUnu9xslHwQ:255:50:JRDavis:/local/jrdavis:/bin/csh
coldhere:zwRCrQZ5peevQ:256:50:coldhere:/local/coldhere:/bin/ksh
johnp:aY1ibIhWpgBNI:257:3:John P.:/local/sysadm/johnp:/bin/ksh
joeblow:.0KgYBKPpo86Q:259:50:Joeseph P. Blow:/local/joeblow:/bin/ksh
romath:At8OUdhbnhyEs:260:50:Romath-- The
Original[TM]:/local/romath:/bin/ksh
wollmann:fo.uzKiHSvrbY:261:50:E.W.:/local/wollmann:/bin/ksh
lvscott:SfDyYiOUEi5IE:262:50:Lying Abusing
Idiot:/local/lvscott:/bin/ksh
mudcat:6Vu.Tf8.RMxXc:263:50:mudcat:/local/mudcat:/bin/ksh
sharonb:DPa4.jsvgaLNw:264:50:SharonB:/local/sharonb:/bin/ksh
oswald:/VBwhK86lB49E:266:50:Oswald:/local/oswald:/bin/ksh
ahsv:B/iBGka6fEAs.:267:50:Hank Vaughn:/local/ahsv:/bin/ksh
peoncont:Jp8xP4anyq6F6:268:50:Peon Control:/local/peoncont:/bin/ksh
flaagg:NvEb6pLePZV2M:269:50:Flaagg:/local/flaagg:/bin/ksh
draver:iJBdgseOUrGx6:270:50:draver:/local/draver:/bin/bash
bb:cGRZWMoswfeGw:271:50:Belinda:/local/bb:/bin/ksh
lmarsa:/Uss3dj4YEjE6:272:50:LMarsa:/local/lmarsa:/bin/ksh
dspecht:o2netgeSUCPhY:273:102:Don:/local/dspecht:/bin/ksh
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areala:f9oLSghJXufuY:275:50:Tracy Z.:/local/areala:/bin/ksh
sergi:6NjharkrdQLOM:276:50:Sergi:/local/sergi:/bin/ksh
cipher:b2hdfFhRRZOU2:277:50:Cipher:/local/cipher:/bin/ksh
spooge:gDCrBAgDy0NHI:278:50:Spooge:/local/spooge:/bin/ksh
allenz:IfmxksQkzuC1w:279:50:Allen Z.:/local/allenz:/bin/ksh
cjcmeow:oWAHGTp9L5WW.:280:50:CJC Meow:/local/cjcmeow:/bin/ksh
medcat:W1l6qRf2cmF9M:281:50:Medical Catastrophe:/local/medcat:/bin/ksh
jonzonk:7nDGngawIg0aM:282:50:jonzonk:/local/jonzonk:/bin/tcsh
sophie:n06XDycg.nikQ:283:50:Sophie C.:/local/sophie:/bin/ksh
unit24:RGjkB1QBdd.hM:284:50:Unit 24:/local/unit24:/bin/ksh
vcross:ZpcOsg9/N0a7E:285:50:V Cross:/local/vcross:/bin/ksh
roachcli:VT.JdUIuv2Rts:286:50:Roachclip:/local/roachclip:/bin/ksh
stapleto:utTfJnpge4K.U:287:50:Peat
Staplehead:/local/stapleton:/bin/ksh
phoenix:4ifyszzPb.vmc:288:50:Phoenix:/local/phoenix:/bin/ksh
astroud:1mZ3CJ7qL0cOk:289:50:Annette M. Stroud:/local/astroud:/bin/ksh
pfranke:NQdone/X1P3mY:290:50:Paula Franke:/local/pfranke:/bin/ksh
rlsloan:LTMIMkPzT5Hzc:291:50:R.L.Sloan:/local/rlsloan:/bin/ksh
netscum:4lFuLPr2kpyNk:292:50:Taylor Netscum:/local/netscum:/bin/ksh
blub:8V0ibJX5kaOH2:293:50:Blub Blub:/local/blub:/bin/ksh
tim:dUeZXZV4oIReM:294:50:Tim Millard:/local/tim:/bin/ksh
bunyip:LxfBVqrwhogkc:295:50:BertieBunyip:/local/bunyip:/bin/ksh
the2belo:qRw75w1jQVtSA:296:50:The 2-Belo:/local/the2belo:/bin/bash
chuckles:3idG3lO4c9kXI:297:50:Chuckles:/local/chuckles:/bin/ksh
raoulx:INrcjjsU.X9Z6:298:50:Raoul X:/local/raoulx:/bin/ksh
sonospam:xiI.xSfzZceEQ:299:50:Son of Spam:/local/sonospam:/bin/ksh
chekmate:o13djp0k29eWE:300:50:Checkmate:/local/chekmate:/bin/ksh
agcorvus:0TIEcLpiJe8DE:301:50:AgCorvus:/local/agcorvus:/bin/ksh>meowtill:ylVxJ9gdDAank:302:50:MeowAtilla:/local/meowtill:/bin/ksh
fshstks:VEYU9JSIrlsRc:303:50:FishSticks:/local/fshstks:/bin/ksh
thepet:.HT6dcDqQ.gBU:304:50:The Pet:/local/thepet:/bin/ksh
vjampire:c/E1QS9rJi342:305:50:The Vampire
LeStat:/local/vjampire:/bin/ksh
loki:MFhQpgR8qoHGQ:306:50:Loki:/local/loki:/bin/ksh
zandra:aBnBgyFRw4DUM:307:50:Zandra:/local/zandra:/bin/ksh
nightmar:nkJ1/qenW0oQ.:308:50:nightmare:/local/nightmar:/bin/ksh
colchici:UsiA11qKZ67MU:309:50:colchicine:/local/colchici:/bin/ksh
menjy:xY/5OehT/j8oQ:310:50:Menjy:/local/menjy:/bin/ksh
beckwith:p2B9FH0LHqX1U:311:50:Andy Beckwith:/local/beckwith:/bin/ksh
heimdall:FNc6QGAwdHJZU:312:50:The Heimdall
Collective:/local/heimdall:/bin/ksh
hangnail:Aolq7CBrkDxBA:313:50:Hangnail:/local/hangnail:/bin/ksh
hannigan:Y.eiOb9zkJwMw:314:50:The Hannigan
Archive:/hack/hannigan:/bin/sh
ayatolla:mRBLPMs9Pk506:315:50:Ayatollah:/local/ayatolla:/bin/ksh
dok:3yWDfgIQMEIok:316:50:Doktor Pete:/local/dok:/bin/ksh
sysero:GXSGVO3UydNjc:317:50:Sysero:/local/sysero:/bin/ksh
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dick:ap3jaR08XcBeo:328:50:Charlie Dick:/local/dick:/bin/ksh
tnetbnet:x:329:50:Admin for
63.95.190.99:/usr/internet/ip/63.95.190.99/publish:/bin/ksh
dac:52E5vYwsyWbZI:332:50:Dac:/local/dac:/bin/ksh
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Hoods, Perv Pals and faggot hacker friends of GArY's & of Psychologists. (proven and documented)
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At least three of the identifiable hoods posting maliciously and
off-topic to this newsgroup can be shown to have accounts with
databasix.com, the well-known, abuse and vanity domain OWNED and
operated by Gary L. Burnore. There is excellent documentation
that all of the following abusive individuals are among the perv
pals with accounts:
Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez (also of lart.com and former keeper
of the alt.usenet.kooks FAQ; always posts off the record
and 99%+ of his posts stalking, harassing and/or malicious;
clearly befriended by psychologists more than 3 years ago to
host THEIR abusive web page, when they wanted to distance
themselves from direct connection to the harassment and lies)
Cipher (act. David Howard of Virginia Beach, VA), long time
abusive "'Net Cop"/hood (always anon these days and always
malicious -- so hated by so many, for such good reasons, that
this guy who used to criticize "anon cowards" can be NOTHING
but an anon coward HIMSELF)
thePsyko (act. Steve Wright)-- major contributor to the abuse
hacker newsgroup, alt.hackers.malicious but was courted
by major psychologist leader of this newsgroup to monitor
things here (psychologist stroked his ego by getting him
"published" on an exclusive psychology web site)
the perv himself, Gary L. Burnore (his abuse domain has had
at least three different "homes" and is recognized by many
as the most abusive domain on all of Usenet -- try google and
a search on "databasix.com and see; System admin. have characterized
Gary not only as a stalking and abusive individual, but as a
forger, gaining power on Usenet only by these pathetic means.)
There is no reason to believe anything except that all the abuse
is coming from this group of PERV PALS **OR** from Crawdad, a
thoroughly abusive Usenet poster who was also courted by the leading
psychologist of this newsgroup (from 'hacker'/punk newsgroups) --
that psychologist was the FIRST person to wish him "Happy Birthday"
last year
In short, this newsgroup is essentially being abused by a handful
of individuals (act. about 4). PLUS these are individuals
who were either directly courted to
"help" here by the leading psychologists in this newsgroup OR are
pals of those people.
IT WOULD BE ACCURATE TO VIEW THIS NEWSGROUP AS BEING ABUSED BY
THE PSYCHOLOGISTS THEMSELVES. JOHN PRICE ACTIVELY AND EXPRESSLY
WAS AMONG THOSE CLEARLY SOCILITING THE ATTACKS YOU SEE HERE. These
are not independent 'Netizens' they are befriended solicited
hoods and punks with clear ties to more than 2 of the leading
psychologists of sci.psychology.psychotherapy and of the sister
newsgroup, sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Psychologists STILL suck off hackers.
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This should be part of the sppFAQ: Psychologists still in control
of this newsgroup: First the databasix/perv connection explained,
then the psychologist connection to those same people.:
At least three of the identifiable hoods posting maliciously and
off-topic to this newsgroup can be shown to have accounts with
databasix.com, the well-known, abuse and vanity domain OWNED and
operated by Gary L. Burnore. There is excellent documentation
that all of the following abusive individuals are among the perv
pals with accounts:
Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez (also of lart.com and former keeper
of the alt.usenet.kooks FAQ; always posts off the record
and 99%+ of his posts stalking, harassing and/or malicious;
clearly befriended by psychologists more than 3 years ago to
host THEIR abusive web page, when they wanted to distance
themselves from direct connection to the harassment and lies)
Cipher (act. David Howard of Virginia Beach, VA), long time
abusive "'Net Cop"/hood (always anon these days and always
malicious -- so hated by so many, for such good reasons, that
this guy who used to criticize "anon cowards" can be NOTHING
but an anon coward HIMSELF)
thePsyko (act. Steve Wright)-- major contributor to the abuse
hacker newsgroup, alt.hackers.malicious but was courted
by major psychologist leader of this newsgroup to monitor
things here (psychologist stroked his ego by getting him
"published" on an exclusive psychology web site)
the perv himself, Gary L. Burnore (his abuse domain has had
at least three different "homes" and is recognized by many
as the most abusive domain on all of Usenet -- try google and
a search on "databasix.com and see; System admin. have characterized
Gary not only as a stalking and abusive individual, but as a
forger, gaining power on Usenet only by these pathetic means.)
There is no reason to believe anything except that all the abuse
is coming from this group of PERV PALS **OR** from Crawdad, a
thoroughly abusive Usenet poster who was also courted by the leading
psychologist of this newsgroup (from 'hacker'/punk newsgroups) --
that psychologist was the FIRST person to wish him "Happy Birthday"
last year
In short, this newsgroup is essentially being abused by a handful
of individuals (act. about 4). PLUS these are individuals
who were either directly courted to
"help" here by the leading psychologists in this newsgroup OR are
pals of those people.
IT WOULD BE ACCURATE TO VIEW THIS NEWSGROUP AS BEING ABUSED BY
THE PSYCHOLOGISTS THEMSELVES. JOHN PRICE ACTIVELY AND EXPRESSLY
WAS AMONG THOSE CLEARLY SOCILITING THE ATTACKS YOU SEE HERE. These
are not independent 'Netizens' they are befriended solicited
hoods and punks with clear ties to more than 2 of the leading
psychologists of sci.psychology.psychotherapy and of the sister
newsgroup, sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Hacker punks are visiting Peter?
Followup-To: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.2600,mn.general
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:03:53 -0600
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I thought this might be a good time to find out which one of you
obviously morally bankrupt and evil and cowardly punks has recently
said you where going to be visiting Peter Hood (masters degree in
Forensic Psychology, Leicester Univ., U.K.)? I think curious
readers would like to see all the connections between the punks and
the psychologists. No one would deny that Peter Hood, more than
any person here, has been expressly declared as a friend by
psychologists. Now, who was it that is visiting him. The most
unexcellent "Client Lartvocate"???
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Re: Psychologists' Pal, "Just Taylor" Jimenez.
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:03:56 -0600
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Other interesting info. from the informative web site about
Taylor Jimenez, yep that same guy that did dirty work for
psychologists here for years:
Also, here are web links that will bring you to much evidence against Taylor
Jimenez and his associates:
All forgeries, none of these posts were made by Brad see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=altshift@worldnet.att.net&num=100&hl=en;hl=en
AND see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:Brad+author:Jesness&num=100&hl=en&filter=0&filter=0
To see how the web page is used as an instrument not only for
libel/slander/defamation, but as a tool to do off-topic malicious
spam that is obviously stalking and harassing and threatening see: (Note
each pair below may
show substantial overlap.):
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=www.lart.com/brad&num=100&hl=en
AND
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=http%3A//www.lart.com/brad&num=100&hl=en;hl=en
AND
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=http%3A//www.lart.com/brad&num=100&hl=en&hl=en
AND
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=www.wilhelp.com/brad&num=100&hl=en>
----------
See the abuse of Brad’s wife (a total innocent) by following this link:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=Renee%20Jesness&num=100&hl=en
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Psychologists' Pal, "Just Taylor" Jimenez
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:04:01 -0600
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A web page I have seen reveals the kind of man Taylor Jimenez,
friend of Kim Barnard (sppm moderator) and of psychologists
in this newsgroup is. (He also is a user of the free Usenet services
provide by Gary Burnore, owner of databasix.com and convicted
child molester). Taylor Jimenez without a doubt hosted web
pages for the leading psychologists in this newsgroup for YEARS
and is continuing his stalking and harassment.
I saw this on an interesting web site.
Here is the kind of email Brad apparently received right after
Taylor "Netscum" Jimenez learned his email address. Jimenez
was the only person who knew it. This shows the kind of man
Taylor Jimenez of Newport Beach Ca is:
>Return-Path: <mix@mix.winterorbit.com>
>Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:41:13 +0200
>From: Anonymous <nobody@mix.winterorbit.com>
>Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above.
> It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software.
> Please report problems or inappropriate use to the
> remailer administrator at <abuse@mix.winterorbit.com>.
>To: altshift@att.net
>Subject: Do you really want to do this???
>
>Brad,
>
>See you are getting braver, and posting hate stuff again.
>
>Do you really want to do this??
>
>Remember, I own you!
>
>Return-Path: <mixmaster@helferlein.net>
>From: Anonymous Coredump <mixmaster@remailer.segfault.net>
>Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above.
> It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software.
> Please report problems or inappropriate use to the
> remailer administrator at <jochen@segfault.net>.
> http://remailer.segfault.net/mixmaster/
>To: altshift@att.net
>Subject: gloves
>Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:33:56 +0200 (CEST)
>
>Are you using gloves and a mask to check your mail?
>
>I thought not.
>
>Might be wise in today’s environment.
>
>Return-Path: <mix@mix.winterorbit.com>
>Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:50:56 +0200
>From: Anonymous <nobody@mix.winterorbit.com>
>Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above.
> It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software.
> Please report problems or inappropriate use to the
> remailer administrator at <abuse@mix.winterorbit.com>.
>To: altshift@att.net
>Subject: Move?
>
>Thought you were going to move out of ur wifes house?
>
(end quoted emails)
Recall that Taylor Jimenez just recently learned Brad's previously unknown
email address. Also recall that he makes threats publicly by name that
implicate him in the above anon harassing and threatening emails.)
(end of quoted web page)
From: Brad Jesness <altshift@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Re: Psychologists Pal, "Just Taylor" Jimenez
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:04:06 -0600
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Iceman, you are a liar and a perv pal. You suck. Why don't
you do a trace yourself, before lying. Below is
excellent evidence that Taylor Jimenez is an illegal forger,
a stalker and harasser.:
It is interesting but the earliest reference to Brad's email
address occurred ON USENET occurred the VERY same day someone
forged his email in making a post to Usenet.
THAT WAS ALSO THE VERY SAME DAY TAYLOR JIMENEZ SITES THE FIRST
EMAIL TO HIM FROM BRAD!!!
Below is the first google reference to brad's email address,
followed by a copy of a letter from Brad to Taylor Jimenez,
which is HOSTED ON TAYLOR'S OWN SITE.
I conclude, Taylor Jimenez is breaking the law and is a harasser,
stalker, and forger.
The first Usenet post still in the archive, showing Brad's email
is directly below (see below that for the letter to Jimenez, where he
learned the email address -- SAME DAY)
This was a post in response to the first
Return-Path: <altshift@iname.com>
From: JaggedLittleHeart <gardenerNOSPAM@qsmail.net>
Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious
Subject: Re: BadAss Hacker Needed! Hot Monkey for Sex Needed!
Date: 4 Sep 2001 23:08:13 GMT
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B. Jesness <monkeyboy-brad@jesness.con> wrote in
news:1jmapts2pkr60gosv3h1r39fuk2ut7emap@4ax.com:
> I'm looking for a cool cat hacker that can take care of some trouble
> makers. I'll pay money too! E-mail me at
> altshift@postoffice.worldnet.att.net and I'll give you all the details.
>
> Oh, and I'm looking for a couple of hot monkeys to have sex with. If
> you have a monkey or a very hairy woman e-mail me at the above address.
You equate a hairy woman to a monkey?
>
> You know what? Forget about the hacking, just find me a money to have
> sex with. I'll pay up to $1,000 for a monkey. I'll double it if the
> monkey is experienced and last longer than the 30 seconds I can.
>
> B. Jesness
>
NOW Quoting a letter from Brad to Taylor, from Taylor's own web site:
Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010904133955.008548c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
X-Sender: altshift@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32)
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:39:55 -0500
To: taylor@LART.COM
From: Brad <altshift@iname.com>
Subject: Libelous web site on your service
Cc: hostmaster@WESTHOST.COM
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Status:
The web site http://www.lart.com/brad is false and libelous about me.
There is no evidence that the anon posts cited are made by me and the
"evidence" is misrepresented as being from me. Because of the content of
the anon posts and because of the conclusions your web author falsely
draws from the posts, the web site is libelous.
You will be held accountable for libel if the web site is not removed.
Legal action will be taken if the site is not taken down.
Sincerely, Brad Jesness