LETTERS TO STRANGERS
...WORDS I HAVE POSTED PUBLICALLY IN VARIOUS PLACES IN RESPONSE TO OTHERS WORDS...
...a friend is a stranger waiting to be met...
Sex and Birds
THERE'S ALWAYS HOPE... (I HOPE...) THERE'S ALWAYS HOPE... (I HOPE...) THERE'S ALWAYS HOPE... (I HOPE...) THERE'S ALWAYS HOPE...
>Perhaps soemthign could be said about the right for anyone
LETTERS TO STRANGERS
...WORDS I HAVE POSTED PUBLICALLY IN VARIOUS PLACES IN RESPONSE TO OTHERS WORDS...
...a friend is a stranger waiting to be met...
Sex and Birds
January 22, 2000
>There is more than the body that is used as the tools...
>
yes, but when we connect the tools and still keep in touch with our minds until all we know is the physical euphoria of starry-eyed ecstasy of the moment of infinite pleasure and seemingly eternal bliss we share, oh what a wonderful world it is...
>Why a big fuss about the body being used in sexual settings?
>
I have no idea ;)
>I mean, that body does participate in teh exchange that can
>be underway, non? But there is not just the body, and seing
>only the body as the tool used would be a bit of a masking
>the rest of the tools. "Look at her using her body, oh mah
>gosh" sort of thing?:)
>
personally, if the body was only a tool, I'd rather be paid well for the use of my tool than paid poorly... but since I don't consider this body just a tool, I would rather share than sell... in a real sense, we use everything we touch, so mutual usery is much more desireable for me than imbalanced usery... but this philosophy is very broad...
>But in pointing at one using their
>body, don't we point at bodies again anyway, and don't we
>then use another tool than ours, that other persons's body
>and their right to use it as they pelase anyway?...While
>we'd be using other tools casue that one using her body over
>there has some nerves, sort of thing: she's got the body for
>it, dang it!!LOL:)
>
those nerves can be quite amazing experiences :)
but sadly, in this world, many people seem to think they have the right to tell others how to use their bodies... and they've written many books to justify their repressive controlling ways... and they've fought and killed (and died) for power so they can force their repressive controlling ways on as many other people as possible... and they say it's in the name of good things like peace or freedom or something they call holy but is really just plain fear and desire for clarity, security, and control...
>But there is so much more than the body, that I scratch my
>head here wondering...
>
maybe you also need to scratch your body wandering ;)
>Why bodies are pointed at as such a
>bad thing to use in sex...
>
bad, bad, put that hand back on your head :P
>I know: you refer to another sort
>of using that is exactly for other ends than sex. But here,
>allow me to develop not your own thoughts but mine, from
>the path my own thoughts took after reading your words, not
>as the basis of my thoughts at all, but as the occasion of
>my putting some thoughts out maybe, of my own. Not in
>relation to criticizing yours at all is what I mean here.
>
> For instance, the words, the games, the entire
>works...Those too are tools used...
>
yup, yup... articulated sexuality, very new-age ;)
>And even the occasional showing "anti-conform" to trigger
>curiosity, or playing the opposite, miss ingenue, to
>stimulate arousal too, etc, etc...
>
my legs are too body for a short dress though...
have anything in a long gown?...
>even at times the
>playing "good ever so moral mom" and the likes...
>
what do nuns wear under their habits?... do nuns have bad habits?...
>The games are infinite. Those that have the body as an effective
>tool will use it to get sex too;-). Gives them an advantage,
>perhaps...Where they can even play
>conform/ingenue/rebel/desinterested/aloof/whatever best to
>increase their chances of "curiosity (need to know more,
>to experience more) and trigger the
>other into sex, if not already having it on their mind:).
>
we can't always get what we want
but if we try sometimes
we can get off
just thinking about it...
maybe that's what we need...
so set our minds free...
and eventually, let our bodies follow...
>If women are meant as you say to get off on sex, which seems
>to me a blatant la palisse thing so clear it is to me in that,
>then I wonder why women could not use their bodies to have
>sex. In this I am saying the same as some of what you were
>saying: I think your words were to the effect of women
>using their body to under a sex bait, get say a new car or
>financial security or whatever other than sex itself.
>
unfortunately it usually comes in a bartered package
that is, the ownership of the vehicle is traded
for the ownership of the body
or so the man thinks...
I'd rather look at it as an exchage of gifts
and personally, I'll take the car
and the sex...
if someone is generous enough to offer me both..
>I here feel the same as you on this, and therefore, specify again
>that I am not here criticizing your words at all in my
>expressing thoughts here) I mean, that body does participate
>in the experience of having sex
>quite some bit...That the mind follows or not, depending on
>if one is frigid (or happening to have soemthing else on
>their mind at given moments here or there) or not.
>
brrrrrrrr... can you tell by someone's words if they are?...
thump thump thump
a heartbeat or a book
thump thump thump
a word or a look
thump thump thump
whatever does it mean
maybe every body's
somewhere in between...
>to use their body as they see fit to get what they want.
>Others use their heads or brains or whatever else and to try
>and say they never tried to get a better job by showing
>competent and experienced at work, say, to then get a better
>pay cause misery does nto attarct the other sex as much as
>seeming on top of things (weeew...leave the pun out this
>time LOL:))...well, Using one's degrees and credentials to
>get a job, or using one's whatever assets to get sex, what
>is the difference? There would be hypocrisy in pretending
>oen never would have their body present or trying to attract
>and give off signals to have sex...
>
survival or success, whatever the goal... as I see it, anyone who deliberately undermines their achieving their own goal is commiting suicide... survival of the fittest is a very real physical world fact... and deliberately choosing a path that reduces one's chances at success (or optimal survival) may seem noble or virtuous because of thousands of years of justifying fears and power trips and insanity, but it is illogical and, well, the strong who use their abilities best will ultimatey survive...
>I can say games of the courting nature with protocole
>and the works, but also a la Harlequin leave me very cold,
>and be very honest in saying
>so. gets on mah nerves so baaaad!:):)Yet, the response or hints
>you mentioned earlier
>round interest or signs of arousal from the potential "mate"
>is a game of its own anyway...So I am not into the toying
>game, yet...There is always the "game" and thrill of that
>game, whatever it is to whateverperson, that remains
>present. No game at all is not possible unless there
>would be rape, say.
>
I don't see how anyone can find pleasure in rape, but then, with the convoluted control manipulations of words and power that have been force fed to us before we can reason for ourselves... some become so confused that right and wrong are lost in rhetoric and struggle to satisfy physical needs and somehow gain some control... the only sense of self they find is in controlling another... add anger and other confusions and sexuality becomes a power trip and physical domination becomes sexual conquest and survival...
I sure can rant on psycho-philosophically, huh...
>Let me try this way:
> Well, once I saw a documentary on
>birds and how they courted. And I was stunned!!!!
>It made me rethink my mating games...And ask myself why I
>was so annoyed by the Harlequin and the pinkish yukky
>aspertame of it all....But then I saw that documentary on
>birds and let me say this: Woe boy, do they use their body!!!!
>
>I discovered birds were into sex games, you know, the: High,
>babe, come here often, seen what a big colorful tail me got? No?
>Let me show you better and parade it a bit. Me? sex on my mind?
>What sort of a f... bird do you think I am! Nonono, not
>moi, look, I will just go pick seeds and show you I ain't
>that kind of bird at all, uh-huh!"... Then the bird plays
>ignoring the female and happening to open wide that colorful
>tail, where she plays picking seeds pretending she saw
>nothing, choking on a few pebbles...and turning her back in a
>"devilishly" provacative ingenue way..."Think I saw that
>colorful great super tail of yours? Think it impresses me?
>It don't impress a me much, watch me pick some more
>pebbles... mean seeds...seeds, yes. Ahem".
>
natural selection is all about selling ourselves... showing off our best qualities, whether physical or intellectual or whatever... dividing self is how human culture has detached self from sexuality and therein feel some sense of being above the animals... but that is our folly... we are animals and getting out of touch with physical instinct is suicide as long as we're in a physical world...
>Games all the way!!! The bar scene, the seat in the park
>scene, Harlequin chapter one to fourteen! All of them in one
>courtship. Them birds sure go through lengths to get the
>arousal going!:) I mean, there I am sounding like a Peacock
>video would turn me on more than those hard core movies
>(probably would too LOL:))...But that's not the point:):)
>
of course not :)
>I would say the bodies are used all right in any of those
>games. Never heard of love making or mating where bodies
>were not involved. Save for artificial insemination on cows
>and the likes LOL:) where at elast the body of one of the
>two is involved...or the two are, each their time, without
>physical contact shared. So that would be when the body is
>the least "shared" I guess. But it ain't "mating".
>
I thought it was cloning sheep that they were into these days... by the way, I heard the other day that KFC (used to be Kentucky Fried Chicken, a widespread fast food fried chicken franchise) was forced to change their name to KFC because technically (scientifically and legally) they no longer sell chicken... what they sell is a genetically altered bird without feet or a beak or feathers (the easier to slice and dice and fry, my dear)... but that's not the point either ;)
>But maybe using bodies is not only good for the birds either.
>
>What makes me giggle at times is how some women will not
>have sex with their partner cause he did not get the garbage
>out or whatever other thing. Using it as punishment...
>
put the garbage in the bed and move out?
>That to me is the sillest thing ever. I mean, surely sex is
>punishment to those women, since they both have to take the
>garbages out themselves AND can not have sex that night....
>Talk about masoshism LOL:)
>
that's the mental illness we call normal...
>I say he will get double garbages when he decides to get
>them out, but I am not gonna have my sex life be ruled by a
>bunch of garbage bags, sort of thing?LOL:)
>
maybe they confused garbage bags with condoms and men with fleas?... I imagine if men were fleas they're need garbage bag sized condomes...
>But some pass themselves after the garbage bags. Leaves me
>somewhat dumbified as to how that can be, but so it is often.
>I think then it is not the body that is used at all.
>It is self love that is not?;-):)
>
ashes to ashes, garbage bags to garbage bags...
>Anyway.
>
>Must get to work.
>Blergh.
>3 to 7 today and am late, still in a sweater typing...
>Sigh.
>
wonderful chatting with you :)
honest love, ric
"If you always do what you've always done,
you'll always get what you've always gotten."
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