The 2nd half of the Payen page

P.350CD

When I first saw this I flipped. Unfortunately the only top and front view I can find is a Hubert Cance drawing  that I think, appeared  in  "Aeroplans 8", published by Andrew C. Anson. And I have no intention poaching on him. The five view is excellent, complete with sections. I include a couple of silhouettes to encourage you. So buy the book from Bill Hannan (Click).

While it remains a fantasy plane. The planned colors were light blue, with a polished spinner and, probably, the Payen logo on the fins. Alain Pelletier, on whose drawing the side view is based,  reports that the span was to be 10ft.9in. and that "the airframe was expected to have been made of spruce mahogany and ash, with aluminum and magnesium engine covers. He also writes that it was to be powered by a 150 hp. Renault 4Pdi engine and the hoped for top speed was 310 mph. The figures on this drawing are from the Hubert Cance five-view that graces the Hannan Book. Take your pick. I wasn't there.

Landing this baby with it's single wheel landing gear and very limited visibility would have been a heart stopper.
 
 

The perspective drawings of the P.350CD are mine. The background of the colored one is based on a drawing by Hugh Ferris, a great renderer of skyscrapers.

Some Military Aircraft

Many people are interested in the interesting airplanes the Germans designed, but did not build, at the end of the war. They enjoy speculating on what would have been flying about had the war lasted a few more years.  There is a fine web site devoted to these secret weapons. Luft '46.

But, as far as I know, there is no similar interest in the efforts of the French before 1940. Suppose the Germans hadn't won the Battle of France.... It is fun to speculate on an air force full of  planes like the Arsenal DeLanne and the various Payens below. I would love to know more about these.

Payen P.112
This proposed fighter  is the airplane that started my Payen hunt. A more complete 3vu of dubious authenticity can be found on the original Flechair page (CLICK). A mockup complete with roundels, was built from the remains of the Pa.101 . It was equipt with Two Salmson 7AC radials(!) connected by an electric gear box and driving counter rotating props. The engines are variously reported to have been capable of 100hp - 200hp each. The mockup was demonstrated to the Armee de l’Air. but by the fall of France no decisions had been made.  The wing tip skids may well have been mounted on the delta instead of the canards as shown..


The P.321
I love this one. Imagine getting strafed by it. . It was designed in response to the Armee de l'Air's October 1934  call for a light multiplace defense fighter . It was armed with 10 machine guns and 12 light bombs.  The pilot's visibility must have been truly awful. It was beat out for the contract by the Hanriot H.220 and the Potez 63.

I'm working on a NoCal (a quickie class of  profile rubber free flight) of this one


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A copy of the very rare Payen Flying Aces
I told you guys I'd do it. And here it is. A genuine Payen 321 AC in living NOCAL. Does it fly?? Not yet. Except about 5 sec before the oddest stall I ever saw. I don't have access to a big enough indoor space before Al Lidberg's NOCAL event moves into the annals of Model Aviation History. But if the weather gets its sorry act together I'll try again outdoors.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Payen P.310 CB

Much like the 321 AC, Roland submitted this in response to a call for a two place 520K/h fighter bomber. I read that is was derived from 323AC3, about which I know nothing, and it was beat out by the "unorthodox SNCASE Se.100", about which I would like to know more.

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Pa.400 Mitsubishi/Payen

In 1938 he submitted a plan to the Japanese for a 32ft 9in ship board fighter bomber with  tricycle landing gear, a thru the axle cannon, a 1,764 lb bomb under the fuselage, 4 machine guns in the delta, a machine gun in the tail. I don't know any more except it didn't show up at Pearl Harbor


AP 10 Uniplan
This cute little touring flying wing was constructed in collaboration with M. Emile Aubrun (AP =Aubrun Payen). It was originally equipt with a  AVA 4 cylinder 27hp engine and later re-engined with  a 40hp TRAIN.
Color -Both were light gray with no markings
Span 4.95m
Length 4.16m
Height 1.86m weight 340 kg
Max Speed 200k/h
Registration F-W040
Piloted by Delbos and Legendre.


Here's a pic of Al Backstrom's AP 10.  He writes that (alas) he couldn't get it to fly. The original image of the model is from Oct 92 Flying Models . Paris is from a postcard. I supplied the pilot.
Argentina has an interesting aviation history

Take,  for example, this wonderful picture,  sent to me by Fernando Benedetto. He writes

 "As you know, Emile Aubrun lived in Argentina for many years. . .  Today I found this beautiful photo of this tourisme flying wing, an AUBRUN-PAYEN. I hope it will be of interest to you."
 
 It is indeed of interest.to me.
Thank you

A Pair of Transports I know Nothing About

P.200
A fun little two seater- I imagine a pink and turquoise one with Grace Kelly in it. My wife thinks Doris Day. Who do you imagine?


This page isn't finished. I suspect it never will be. Comments and information are very welcome...
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The modelers at The Aussie Shed have much good stuff about Payens, complete with a translation of  "Les Avions Payen" by Robert Roux .


I started this page in babe-like ignorance and need to thank Koen Van de Kerckhove, Al Backstrom, and Philippe Vigneron, who put me right.

Much of my enlightenment comes from the following....

Paper Darts to Deltas- The Designs of Roland Payen
Alain Pelletier Air Enthusiast Mar/Apr 97

Hubert Cance 3Vus, He has drawn many 3vus of all sorts of things. You buy them by writing him at......
 56,Bd E Lintilhac, 15000 AURILLAC, France

Payen : un Reve de Vitesse
Fancis Nicole  Le Fana de l’Aviation Jan1991

Les Avions Payen
Robert Roux

The 3vus and the perspectives of the P.350CD are my drawings  based on the these sources and realized with ships curves and the panoply of  Victorian drafting equipment. I confess I cleaned them up on PhotoDeluxe .
 


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