[this page was separated out from my RAILROAD, LI Rail Road, and LI Railroads pages, et seq.;
you might wish to see them also.]
This site has now been visited
times since the counter was installed.
NOTE: Page size is limited by HTML to some 30kB; thus, I've been forced to add this continuation page to fit the LIRR and related information and even other Rail Road"!
More on this name nonsense below.
NOTE: To conserve space, I have severely truncated the index on this page; click HERE to go directly to a separate, full LIRR index page.
ALCO-GE-IR BOXCABS
including LIRR boxcabs #401, the world's first production diesel road switcher,
#402 (first and second), #403, and many others.
Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal Railroad,
and its successor roads, the New York Cross Harbor Railroad and New York Regional Rail.
Degnon Terminal Railroad, etc.
On the preceding (first) LIRR page:
Long Island Sunrise-Trail Chapter (National Railway Historical Society)
Sunrise Trail Division (Northeastern Region, National Model Railroad Association)
Steam Locomotive #35 Restoration Committee
(Friends OF LOCOMOTIVE #35 INCORPORATED)
Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #35
Steam Locomotive #39 Restoration
(Railroad Museum of Long island)
Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #39
On this LIRR Continuation Page 1a:
LIRR FIRSTS (moved here from LI Railroads Continuation Page on 10 Dec 01)
LIRR Double-Deckers.
LIRR Miscellany
Morris Park Maps
LIRR BIBLIOGRAPHY (moved to its own page from this page on 01 Mar 02)
On LIRR Continuation Page 2:
Odd Incident at Wreck Lead (on the LIRR)
LIRR and LI Railroad Miscellany
Converted LIRR HEP/Cab Control Units
Central RR of LI - moved to Continuation Page 5 on 17 Dec 00.
Dashing Dan and Dottie.
On LIRR Continuation Page 3:
Nassau County Police 2nd Pct. Booth D/Locust Tower
Victorian Stations Still Standing on the LIRR
On LIRR Continuation Page 4:
Blissville and Laurel Hill Sidings, Maspeth Yard, and Fresh Pond Yard
and NY&AR/NYCRR Interchange info.
LIRR MISCELLANY - continued
LIRR HELP
On LIRR Continuation Page 5:
Central RR of LI - moved to its own page 17 Feb 02.
LIRR DE30AC and DM30AC Locomotives.
Victorian LIRR Stations (continued)
Locust Valley Station
Glen Street Station (update)
Oyster Bay Station
On the LI Railroads Bibliography Page:
LIRR BIBLIOGRAPHY (moved there from this page on 01 Mar 02
and here from LI Railroads Continuation Page on 10 Dec 01)
On the LI Railroads Continuation Page:
Other Railroads on LI.
On separate pages:
The New York & Atlantic Railway, lessor of LIRR freight operations.
Brooklyn Historic Railway Association and the legendary LIRR Atlantic Avenue Tunnel.
Railroad Eagles - Penn Station, Grand Central Terminal, etc.
Note: There is also a Long Island Rail Road Historical Society, run by Dave Morrison, just (May 1999) retired as Branch Line Manager - Port Jefferson, Oyster Bay, and Patchogue-to-Montauk Branches, and the reigning expert on the Penn Station (and Grand Central) eagles*; it's an internal LIRR employees and retirees group which can be reached by snail-mail at "Oyster Bay Train Station, Oyster Bay, New York 11771" (where they have an exhibit in the waiting room). They can be reached through Dave at dmorrison4@home.com. Dave is also the author of a book of LIRR steam locomotive photos (see the LIRR Bibliography - with a special offer for readers of my RR pages).
Long Island Live Steamers (LILS)
Their site, with their PUBLIC RUNNING SCHEDULE, has been moved to a separate page.
See also HOW TO BOOT A STEAM LOCOMOTIVE or
Accurail produces among the finest HO and N freight car models, Kalmbach is one of the two top RR publishers, and Jeff gives us an unparalled access to old articles on models and prototypes;
while it's not particularly rich on LIRR prototypes (~37 entries), I strongly recommend Jeff's great work to you.
LIRR FIRSTS:
* First to use hook-headed (now standard) track spike (1836).
* First to install a steam whistle on a locomotive (1836).
* First to provide "piggy-back" service, hauling farm wagons on flat cars (1885).
* First to use an all-steel passenger car (1905).
* First to install extensive main line electrification (1905).
* First to use a diesel locomotive in road service (1926)@.
* First to have an all-steel passenger car fleet (1927).
* First to use electronic rail detector cars to spot invisible flaws in rail (1931).
This list taken in part from inside back cover of the LIRR's "Main Line to the Mainland" brochure of 1959 (see bibliography ff.).
In addition, that diesel, LIRR #401 was also the first to make a long-haul main line revenue run!
Long Island RAIL ROAD - the Name!
"Much Ado about Nothing"
As noted on the main LIRR page and above, The Long Island Rail Road is the
official name, even though there were (and even are) some rolling stock and
some official documents with the two words combined. Jackson & Sharpe, the
primary source for LIRR varnish in the glory days, was quite consistent in mislettering
the name on the letterboards. The 185_ Commutation Ticket blank shows two
words but an 1861 poster shows one. A "Sept. 15th 1875 Official Pocket Time
Table" shows two and yet the official invitation to an inspection trip through "the
Pennsylvania Station and Tunnels" for "Sept 2, 1910" shows one* while displaying
the official seal of the LIRR with two! The current (Oct 2002)
LIRR/MTA home page, happily, shows
the two words correctly separated!
[* - Refs.: Ziel, "Steel Rails to the Sunrise" (1965), pp. 10, 11, 21, and 187.]
Because the LIRR is the only surviving Class 1 railroad still operating under its original
name and charter (since 1834), it is a shame that some RR historians perpetuate the
error (however minor it may seem) of combining Rail and Road into
"Railroad". The two leading LIRR historians, Vince Seyfried and Ron Ziel, have
each taken the trouble to get it right in their many books; go thou and do likewise.
Road No. Class Type Length Aircond. Built Notes 200 T62 trailer 68’ 0” no 1932 1 201 T70 trailer 80’ 8-3/4” no 1937 2 202-205 T70A trailer 80’ 8-3/4” yes 1947 3, 6 1287-1322 MP70B motor 80’ 8-3/4” yes 1948 4, 5 1323-1336 MP70B motor 80’ 8-3/4” yes 1949 5 1341-1346 MP70A motor 80’ 8-3/4” yes 1947 6 1347 MP70 motor 80’ 8-3/4” no 1937 7 Notes to table: 1. Midtrain trailer; no motors or controls. Only surviving LIRR double-decker; preserved at Railroad Museum of Long Island. 2. Controls removed 1958. 3. Delivered without motors because of strike at Westinghouse; motors added 1947-48; renumbered 1337-1340; reclassed MP70A. 4. Seven cars (1287-1289, 1291, 1334-1336) converted to motorized trailers in late 1950's, reclassed MP70BT. 5. Ten cars (1301-1307, 1309, 1311, 1312) rebuilt in 1967 with sealed windows and improved air-conditioning. 6. Five cars (1337, 1338, 1340, 1341, 1345) converted to motorized trailers in 1958; reclassed MP70AT. 7. Controls and motors removed 1958, reclassed T70.I could add (facetiously) that the "double-deckers" aren't passenger cars at all! They are multiple-well-flats, with sidewalls and windows and a cover added, and alternating people pockets inserted above the wells, up under the cover! :·)
(G. E. Pickering photocard courtesy T. Malloy)

(G. E. Pickering photos courtesy T. Malloy)
Here's an odd duck to model:

LIRR tool car #221 had lift-up hinged flaps along the sides for ease of access
to contents.
LIRR Cross-Sound Service
Oyster Bay to Wilson Point
1891-1892
Art's site shows a rough map (redrawn excerpt immediately below - that's New Haven at the far right, with Hartford above it), where it appears to be a southward extension of the Danbury Branch, but just try and find Wilson's Point in any atlas or gazeteer!


Wonder no longer! A budding historian writing about the Long Island Motor Parkway sent the URLs of a bunch of old USC&GS topo maps in the collections of the University of New Hampshire and I started exploring and, sure enough, there was Oyster Bay in 1900 and Wilson (no "'s") Point in 1897 and 1947 locking down rather well where everything was:


(from 1895 Norwalk topo map surveyed 1889-90 and 1947 Norwalk topo map and
from Oct 1900 Oyster Bay topo map as reprinted 1935)
Now, all I need is an 1891-92 topo map of Oyster Bay to (hopefully) show the actual dock layout!
Bingo (well, not quite)! A LI Motor Parkway enthusiast sent me the 1918 Camp Mills Quadrangle, a WWI overprint of the 1918 reprint of the south half of the 1897 Oyster Bay Quadrangle and the north half of the 1897 Hempstead Quadrangle; here's the pertinent portion, showing exactly the same layout:

The full 1918 topo map is posted on my Long Island page 2.
Speaking of the LI Motor Parkway, I received a near-mint special timetable for trains
to the 30 Oct 1909 running of the Vanderbilt Cup Race, part which ran on a portion of
the LIMP parallel and adjacent to (north of) the CRRof LI in Central Park (now
Bethpage); it's posted on my LIMP Vanderbilt Cup
Cont. Page 1.

28 - Oyster Bay and Cold Spring Transp'n Co. Steamer Wharf
58 - A. J. & E. N. Hutchinson - Coal, Groceries, Hardware
35 - James Thompson - Oyster Shipper and Dealer
59 - E. H. Kirby - Sail and Awning Maker
41 - W. W. Sammis - Carriage and General Painting
40 - P. N. Layton - General Blacksmithing and Carriage Work
66 - Pausel & Son - Machine Shop
27 - Franklin Hotel
36 - Frank Bayles - Insurance, Coal and Wood
* 29 - F. D. Bligh - Oyster Bay Station and and L.I. Express Agent
15 - Casino (really!)
2 - {Oyster Bay Station}
[Odd - there seem to be TWO 29s, one in the grass across from the
station, in what is now Roosevelt Park, and one by the little building along the tracks
to the station's left (east), just beyond the buggy; I assume the latter is correct,
unless, of course, he was the O.B. Station Agent in the ticket bay window and the
L.I. Express Agent in the small building.]
Jacobsen's shipyard (harbor tugs) is half again further to the right of the LIRR locomotive off this image (IF it was that in 1900 - not indexed). Note the freight cars on the stub Dock Track by #59. For those interested in modeling the turn-of-the-20th-century RR facility, it is worth the time to bring up the full image. To make it even easier to see just these features, here is a blow-up of the station and yard:



It's interesting to note that on an aerial photo from 1949 (in Ziel, Steel
Rails to the Sunrise, pp. 224-225, taken 28 Oct), the roundhouse is a full
half-circle, on the Aug 1968 LIRR plan it has a "patio" (doncha love it?), and
on the 1973 Rothaug plan, it's down to a quarter circle.
To contact S. Berliner, III, please click here.
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