Updated: 02 Nov 2008, 17:45 ET
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S. Berliner, III's
A new type of locomotive!
Ingersoll-Rand 1925 Demonstrator #9681
(later CNJ #1000)
(ALCo builders photo S-1484 - source uncertain;
possibly from 1980s AAR flyer)
There are now more than seventy (70) BOXCAB pages;
see the main Boxcabs page
and the Boxcabs INDEX.
- this page is not finished; I wanted to
put up the revised map and some more descriptions and links but have a way to go
in coordinating all this!
ROSTER OF SURVIVING ALCo-GE-IR BOXCABS (follows).
BOXCABS MEXICANOS
(moved to Survivor Continuation Page, 02 Oct 00).
Except for a linked key to the map, the rest of this page, although heavily linked) is unindexed; scroll away.
On the succeeding Survivor Boxcabs Continuation Page:
NOTES (by item number per listing) - specific notes about each survivor now on each separate survivor boxcab page.
The page of NOTES was split off from the Survivors Roster page and the engine listings renumbered on 10 Sep 99.
There are now separate pages for each AGEIR or similar surviving boxcab; the redundant material is being removed (very slowly).
times since the counter was installed.
SURVIVOR BOXCAB LOCATION MAP
re-
If you are traveling, take a look at this map and go visit your
favorite boxcab!
(21 Aug 08)
I'd already been to 2 and 3 (and "*"), and 6, "e", 1, 7, and 8 and,
as of 16 Jun 00,
had visited "#" and am just back from seeing the last two, 5 and "+"
(I have a lot to scan!).
I have photos developed and to be scanned (as of 01 Aug 00) of
"#" (B-W ARMCO #B-73), 5 in Huntsville, Alabama, and
(fortuitously) "+" (B-W ARMCO #B-70)
near Atlanta, Georgia!
So, I guess the next trips will be up to Schenectady, back down to
Salisbury, NC, and
to St. Thomas and Milton, Ontario, and perhaps back to St. Louis,
as well as to Fairless Hills, PA! See below!
(21 Aug 08)
Well, the number keeps growing but I doubt I'll get out to
Butte, Harlowton, or
Deer Lodge, Montana (WRONG!), or to Mexico or
Central or South America or Sussex.
(21 Aug 08)
I thought I'd redraw the map for just surviving oil-electric (diesel) boxcabs and make
a second one for surviving juice-jack boxcabs but decided against that (too
confusing). Instead, I'll confuse you even more by changing the colors of the
circles (and even subdividing some of them) to show
O (red) for the AGEIR (or just GEIR) units,
O (green) for the non-AGEIR oil/gas-electrics) units, and
O (blue) for electric units.
Multi-color circles represent more than one type of unit at one location and
black means no specific type.
[Revised to correct colors of Dan Patch #100 (GE) and ARMCO #B-71 (BW) 13 May 04]
Shovelnoses are not mapped but the three3 surviving NYC S-motors ("honorary" boxcabs) are.
Numbers refer to ALCo-GE-IR roster and notes, following, but here's a quick keyed and linked summary:
Survivor Boxcabs locations
(Mfr. - A = ALCo-GE-IR / E = EMC/EMD,
B = Baldwin/Westinghouse, G = GE)
--------------------------------------
Key Mfr Location Locomotive
--- --- -------- --------------
Grandfather Boxcabs:
0 G MoT, St. Louis, MO GE #1/MfrRR #1 (no symbol)
1 G MTM, St. Paul, MN Dan Patch #100
4 - no symbol - [reassigned to So. Bklyn (SBK) #4 at Branford]
AGEIR and GEIR Boxcabs:
2 A B&OM, Baltimore, MD CNJ #1000
3 A MoT, St. Louis, MO B&O #1/195/8000
5 A No. Ala. RRM UC #3/11
6 A FRRS, Portola, CA Foley Bros. #110-1 (100-tonner!)
7 A IRM, Union, IL DL&W #3001/IR #91
8 A HFM, Dearborn, MI IR #90
Baldwin-Westinghouse and similar:
+ B SRM, Duluth, GA BW ARMCO #B-70
@ B MTM, St. Paul, MN BW ARMCO #B-71
# B PaTM, Washington, PA BW ARMCO #B-73
C(1) - Can. Railway Museum/musée ferroviare canadien
in St. Constant/Delson, just south of Montréal (3 units)
CLC {BW} CNR #77/7700
EMC/EMD Boxcabs:
3*(a) E MoT, St. Louis, MO EMC #50
Misc. Gas/Oil-Electrics:
C(2) - Can. Railway Museum/musée ferroviare canadien
NCC {H&W} CP #7000
B - Kent and Sussex Rwy. Ford BTH (in England).
L G Midland Rwy. Lehigh Portland Cement #1.
K G Fairless Hills, PA 1939 Mack #4 (conversion
of 1924 GE trolley motor).
NYC S-motors ("honorary" boxcabs)3:
S G MHC/NRHS (Albany) 1904 NYC S-motor #6000 (as NYC #100)
[Also, T-motor T-3 #278]
3*(b) G MoT, St. Louis, MO 1906 NYC S-motor S-2 #113
7(a) G IRM, Union, IL 1906 NYC S-motor S-2 #115 (as PC #4715)
Straight Electric Boxcabs (Box Motors, Juice Jacks):
C(3) - Can. Railway Museum/musée ferroviare canadien
3*(c) - MoT, St. Louis, MO 1931 PRR Class P5 #4700 (Altoona).
A*(a) - RRMPa, Strasburg, PA 1911 PRR DD1 #3936-3937 (Juniata).
A*(a) - RRMPa, Strasburg, PA 1934 PRR B1 #5690 (Altoona).
e G LSRM, Duluth, MN Milw. L50 #10200.
L1 G ECRM, St. Thomas (Toronto), ONT L&PS #L1.
L2 G HCRR, Milton (London), ONT L&PS #L2.
P G NCTM, Salisbury, NC P&N #5103.
T1 G BAP, Butte, MT.
T2 G MILW, Harlowton, MT.
T3 G MILW, Deer Lodge, MT.
W G NRHS/IE #502 (1901 GFSR #L-451), Spokane, WA.
R% - National Museum of Science & Technology, Rockcliffe, ON {?}
S1 G Singer #1, Indiana Museum of Transportation, Noblesville, IN.
Other Boxcabs:
M - Mexican and other Latin American boxcabs.
["Key C" was formerly shown as "?"]
The way this is supposed to work is this;
you find what you like on the map, go to the short list above for a
quick summary,
click on the link there for more comprehensive information further
down on this page,
and then click on the link there to go to the individual survivor page,
where you will find all I've got on any one survivor.
There weren't any links on some of the units; I am adding them as I go along.
You can always go to the Boxcabs INDEX until I finish.
Major rewrite 20-21 Aug 02, with
only the roster and a linked index and listing for each North American (American and
Canadian) survivor boxcab, referring to the separate pages now up for each.
For this reason, I have deleted almost all
and symbols.
All survivor data is being moved to the individual survivor pages; this is now a linked roster page, only.
The map references above, link to brief writeups below which have the specific survivor page links (or will shortly).
There are seven (7) ALCo-GE-IR (and just GE-IR or GE alone) boxcab units surviving and four (4) B-W (or B-W-style) units, one EMC unit, plus three (3) "home-grown" Anglo-Canadian and English units and sixteen (16) electric boxcab survivors, for a total of thirty-one (31) known Can-Am and British survivors.
I did NOT include a 1989 Scots-built boxcab but I do give some coverage for it on the British Ford BTH page.
- this page is not finished; I wanted to
put up the revised map and some more descriptions and links but have a long way to
go in coordinating all this!
1 - 1913 57-ton, ~250{?}-hp MStPR&DETCo. (Dan Patch) #100 -
57-ton, ~250{?}-hp Minneapolis, St. Paul, Rochester and Dubuque Electric Traction Co. (Dan Patch Electric Lines) #100.
2 - 60-ton, 300-hp CNJ #1000 -
The very first of the production oil-electrics sold!
3 - 60-ton, 300-hp B&O #1
(later #195/#8000), at the Museum of Transport, St. Louis, Missouri.
3*(a) - B&O #50, the first passenger boxcab (an EMC), at the Museum of Transport, St. Louis, Missouri.
3*(b) - "Honorary" boxcab 1906 NYC S-motor S-2 #113, at the Museum of Transport, St. Louis, Missouri.
3*(c) - PRR Class P5 #4700, the only surviving passenger boxcab (a 1931 Altoona product, at the Museum of Transport, St. Louis, Missouri.
4 (reassigned to) - 1907 South
Brooklyn Railway (SBK) #4 electric box motor at the Shore Line Trolley
Museum of the BERA (Branford Electric Railway Association) in East Haven, Connecticut.
A 57-ton unit road-built by the Brooklyn Heights Railway on ALCo trucks, perhaps the
second oldest surviving boxcab, albeit an electric box motor, not an internal
combustion unit; this was one that I had originally thought was an i.c. loco and
deleted, not knowing it had survived (page 6 in Bendersky).
[There was a previous item 4., a 60-ton, 300-hp unit somewhere in
the upper midwest
{per photo caption in late 1993 TRAINS or RAILFAN} which was probably
either the DL&W #3001/IR #91 at the IRM@ or the Dan
Patch engine.]
5 - 60-ton, 300-hp ex-demo/ex-Union
Carbide #3/11 or EMCO #11.
[Please note that there was a previous URL with what I thought
was the oxymoronic filename "boxcuc11.html";
I demoted it to a reference page to the supposedly-more-appropriate filename
"boxcbuc3.html", only to find later that UC DID use the numer "11"!]
Here she is at work:
and a blow-up of that photo:
(Photo ca. 1936, cropped from
TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA No. 43)
[Thumbnailed image - click on picture for larger image]
(Photo ca. 1936, cropped from
TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA No. 43)
[Thumbnailed image - click on picture for larger image]
[r - name and URL updated 21 Aug 02]
C - Three locomotives at le musée ferroviare Canadien (Canadian
Railway Museum) in St. Constant/Delson near Montréal:
["Key C" was formerly shown as "?"]
C (1 of 3) - 1929 Canadian Locomotive Works {B-W}
CNR #7700/77 -
a Canadian variant on the B-W "Visibility Cab".
C (2 of 3) - CP #7000 -
122-ton, 550-hp NCC {Harland & Wulff} one-off unit.
C (3 of 3) - 1914 GE Boxcab Electric
GTR #6711: -
one of the original five Montréal-Deux-Montagnes (Two Mountains) line electric
boxcabs; originally CNoR #601, this electric locomotive pulled the first passenger
train through the Mount Royal Tunnel on 21 Oct 18 and the last regularly
scheduled train at 25Kv AC in Jun 95. Renumbered to CN #9101, then CN
#101, finally GTR #6711.
(21 Aug 08)
L - 1938 GE 23-ton Lehigh
Portland Cement #1 -On my own Survivor Electric Boxcabs page 2, I find I wrote "ECRM got #L1 from the CSTM (Canada Science and Technology Museum) in 1995; HCRR got #L2 (how, when, whence?)." Do you get the feeling I've answered my own question? If so, I'll have to change the map yet again. S - 1904 NYC S-motor #6000 (the very first) stored in the Albany, New York, area by the Mohawk-Hudson Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society.
T2 and T3 - two big Milwaukee Road (Chicago, Minneapolis, St. Paul & Pacific) electric box motors (NOT BA&P as previously noted herein) at Harlowton and Deer Lodge, Montana (no wonder I couldn't locate them before). The unit at Harlowton appears to be the E-57B, the last electric to drop its pans and is parked near the main highway in a mini-park in good cosmetic condition while the unit at Deer Lodge is not really a boxcab at all, but rather an "honorary one, an E-70 Little Joe (both per " Helmut Wisinger in Beautiful British Columbia", "Helmut's Milwaukee Road 'Lines West' Homepage"). W - Baldwin-Westinghouse 45 ton 1901 #502# [former Great Falls Smelter Railway (Anaconda) #L-451] - the Inland Empire Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society and the Inland Empire Historical Society have this loco running at the Spokane County Interstate Fair Grounds in Spokane, WA.
[# - do not confuse this straight electric boxcab with the Red River Lumber 108-ton, twin-engined, oil-electric of the same road number. {What are the odds?}] M - Not on the map: Three surviving big electric boxcabs in Mexico and others in Central and South America.
(02 Nov 08)
There are seven (7) ALCo-GE-IR (and just GE-IR or GE alone) boxcab units surviving and four (4) B-W (or B-W-style) units, one EMC unit, one GE-cum-Mack unit, plus three (3) "home-grown" Anglo-Canadian and English units and thirteen (13) electric boxcab survivors, for a total of twenty-eight(28) known Can-Am and British survivors.
Also, that CNR #77/7700 in Montréal is a
Baldwin-Westinghouse-style Visibility Cab
unit.
Their third boxcab turned out to be that 1914 GE electric.
More photos were taken and will follow (as of 10 Sep 99).
BOXCABS MEXICANOS
(moved to Survivor Continuation Page, 02 Oct 00)
Now supplemented by other Latin American and "offshore" (non-American/Canadian)
survivor boxcabs.
Notes on surviving ALCo-GE-IR (and just GE-IR or GE alone) boxcabs moved to the individual survivor boxcab pages 03 Dec 00.
Other surviving gas/oil-electric/diesel boxcabs (including +, @, and *, on map, above) are noted on the Other Boxcabs continuation page.
Other surviving electric (and any other odd) boxcabs (including 4, e, and one of the
three at C, on map, above) are noted on the Electric
Boxcabs continuation page and Odd Boxcabs
continuation page.
NOTES
(Linked URL corrected 07 Feb 00)
- this page is not finished; I wanted to
put up the revised map and some more descriptions and links but have a long way to
go in coordinating all this!
To contact S. Berliner, III, please click here.
To tour the Boxcabs pages in sequence, the arrows take you from the previous page to the Boxcabs index, to the first Boxcabs page, to continuation pages 3 and up, then 100-tonner LIRR #401 and her sisters, survivor boxcabs (with map) and survivor notes, survivor CNJ #1000 (the very first), Ingersoll-Rand boxcabs (with instruction manual), other (non-ALCo/GE/I-R) boxcabs, Baldwin-Westinghouse boxcabs, odd boxcabs, and finally model boxcabs.
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