with Great Neck Toll Lodge.
This is yet another new (07 Jun 00) page to cover additional information and photographs of this interesting old highway; see also my Automotive, Chrysler, Dudgeon (really!), Mercedes, and SS and JAGUAR car pages and other related pages.
A Motor Parkway Panel has been convened to keep the LIMP alive in situ, in minds, and in museums.
There is also a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.
Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.
RoW = Right-of-Way.
LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY - continued
NORTH HILLS DOCUMENTATION
North Hills - in terms of the LIMP (only), the Village of
North Hills lies between Lake Success and Searingtown,
with the LIMP serving as most of its southern boundary (except at the far
western and eastern ends. A visit to North Hills was extremely fruitful,
although the area at the Village Hall, on the west side of Shelter Rock
Road just south of I. U. Willets Road, posed as many questions
as it answered. Many of us on the Panel or associated with it know that
the southern boundary of the former Harkness Boy Scout facility is the LIMP
RoW and that the area just west of that across Shelter Rock Road is the
continuation thereof. After carefully documenting these areas, I went to
the Village Hall and found a map and an aerial photomural which are
unmistakeable in their delineation of where the RoW was (and is).
Something is rotten in, no, not Denmark, but North Hills. Somehow, we
have to establish how the LIMP zig-zagged from parallel to the south end of
Harkness to parallel to the south boundary of The Links.
O.K.; first we start by looking east at the end of the RoW at Harkness [there is
pavement further east but I, personally, haven't gone in there (yet)], then
west out towards Shelter Rock and further west with a pad on the south side
which may well have been a driveway to an adjoining house, and from the
east side of SRR across to a greensward running south along the west side of
SRR:
(All photos taken 06 Jun 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Then, crossing SRR, looking amost due south from the roadway (no cars
coming!) down along the greensward towards a fence just north of the Village
Hall, a view south through that fence, a view N towards the fence from the
Village Hall parking lot, with a mysterious boulder which looked as if it would
have a bronze plaque on the north side, and a view from the fence back down
at the rock (no plaque) and the driveway and parking lot. The lay of the
land was all wrong, though. Inside the Hall, a helpful soul showed me
through to the back (N) where the property abuts The Links development (if
one can call a gated luxury community a "development"), the site of the old
Links Golf Club, which is supposedly the actual RoW (much as it is/was at
Deepdale and Glen Oaks - a second opinion, but still no ceegar!):
(All photos taken 06 Jun 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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I cut down the resolution of the Harkness/Village Hall shots to conserve space
since they're "bogus" LIMP locations; these last two are puzzling, though.
They show the fence between the Village Hall and The Links directly behind
(north of) the Village Hall, the first looking almost due north [the greensward
along SRR is off to the right (east) beyond the tree line] and the second is
taken from around the bend in the fence looking back to the southwest; why
would the two jurisdictions have left the area pristine and maintain it so even
today?
Well, I now (02 May 01) know that the southern boundary of the Harkness
preserve (or what ever it is now) is NOT the LIMP RoW; Harkness
was cut up and sold off ca. 1980 and the RoW crosses SRR some 100 yards S
or so, where the LIPA transformer station is located on the E side. The
LIPA facility is obvious, once you realize for what you are looking and here it is
in a view loooking E from across SRR plus one looking W from SRR:
(Photos taken 26 Apr 01 by and © 2001 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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I'll have to get back to those two segments, W and E of SRR, with the camera
one of these days.
We were getting no place fast in Jun 00, so here is the North Hills aerial photo,
with a duplicate keyed shot annotated with features (to avoid obscuring data),
plus seven overlapping close-ups of the aerial photo, which show the RoW with
amazing clarity. Although undated, the photo was obviously taken
during construction of The Gates, just north of the RoW between New
Hyde Park Road and the old Old Courthouse Road (and bridge mentioned
several places herein):
(All photos taken 06 Jun 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]
The detail shots cover the RoW at the intersection of Lakeville Road
and Northern State Parkway, the Great Neck South High School
complex, New Hyde Park Road and NSP, Old Courthouse Road bridge,
Shelter Rock Road (just to the right of the vertical white line where
the photomural was probably pasted together together), Willis Avenue,
and the wild northward bulge around a recalcitrant property owner just south
of I. U. Willets Avenue between Shelter Rock and
Searingtown Roads in Searingtown:
You can just make out where the Old Courthouse Road bridge is on the fourth
detail where the southeast (lower right) end of the Gates triangle comes down
to the red tape (RoW).
(All photos taken 06 Jun 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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On this last view, you can make out the RoW running northeastward between
Carriage and Shrub Hollow Roads, grazing I. U. Willets
Road, and then running southeastward between Sugar Mapleand
Capri Drives.
Next, let us turn to the map, noted as "The Official Map of the Incorporated
Village of North Hills" and adopted 23 Mar 83. Again, I took four
close-up views of the RoW, the southern portion with the central boundary
being the LIMP itself, the far western segment south of NSP at New Hyde Park
Road, with an even closer view showing The Gates and Old Courthouse Road
(marked "Private Road"), and the far eastern portion, showing the
curve under I. U. Willets (above "OF") that is the LIMP RoW
immediately north of Shrub Hollow Road southeast of the intersection of IUW
with Shelter Rock Road, south of Oak Ridge Lane.
(All photos taken 06 Jun 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images (except last); click on pictures for large images.]
Notice on both the photo and the map how the RoW runs almost due east,
even across Shelter Rock Road (so, what about Harkness?).
Then, to the east, it makes that mad loop northward between SRR and
Searingtown Road, almost grazing IUW, as noted just above.
So, then, what IS that greeensward so carefully preserved and
tended on both sides of the fence by both The Links and North hills, other
than the southeastern boundary of The Links?
Well, on advice of Panelists who lived there and know it well, the north-south
section is definitely the old RoW of SRR before it was widened ca.
1990 (DUH! I shoulda remembered that!) and, thus, the east-west
segment should be the LIMP RoW. It's NOT!
Panel Associate Chris Lindley took me over there shortly afterward and the
RoW runs through the LIPA transformer station just to the south on the E side
of SRR; I have to get back and document that stretch, which is accessible
from the IUW area.
MINEOLA - CARLE PLACE DOCUMENTATION
I was told that a Toll Lodge remained at 248 Rudolf Road in Mineola
(that's a quarter-block south of Jericho Turnpike west of the RoW).
Well, there ain't no 248 but, in a neighborhood comprised otherwise entirely of
postwar ticky-tacky, there is one quaint old brick house at 264 Rudolf
Road (north side, sixth house west of the RoW) which looks little like
other Toll Houses I've seen or seen pictured but sure looks right for the era
and the purpose:
It sure looks good; only problem is that it turns out to be the wrong house,
after all. 284 IS, in fact, the correct house, but was
so heavily altered by the previous owner, before 1980, and then (unknowingly)
completely refinished outside by the present owner, that there is absolutely no
way of recognising it as such. the window facing the RoW was the toll
window and old toll tickets were found in the sill when it was torn out (long
gone, now) but please remember that we are talking about a private
residence and private property - leave the current residents alone and stay
off their property.
(All photos taken 06 Jun 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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This last view is from the far eastern end of Rudolf Road, standing on the RoW
just east of 284 and looking north to Jericho Turnpike; this view matches that
looking south from the Turnpike at
Crossings section on Continuation Page 3.
I took these pictures of 284 as it stands today (04 Jul 00):
Views from RoW looking due west and from Rudolf looking WNW.
Views from Rudolf looking NW and N (toward east end of house).
Views from Rudolf looking N (toward west end of house) and ENE.
View from Rudolf looking NE.
(284 photos taken 04 Jul 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Now, if anyone can show me one single iota of external similarity
between 284 Rudolf Road and a Toll Lodge, I'll eat my hat [Good thing I
don't wear hats]! Also, I don't see any bedroom window facing the
RoW - unless it's in the cellar and I missed it - back I go again!
We hope to obtain photos of 284 as it was 20 years ago; we would very much
appreciate a photo of it as the original Toll Lodge, if anyone out there has one.
Well, Howard Kroplick came through (and refrained from asking what flavor
hat I'd like); he sent these old photos of the original toll booth (kiosk) ca. Jul
1911 {?} and the later lodge:
(23 Apr 04)
(first three photos courtesy of H. Kroplick, last as above - all rights reserved)
In the second kiosk photo, the LIMP RoW appears to be being paved; note the
same bush at far right in that and the lodge photos and how the outline of the
Mineola Toll Lodge roof matches exactly that on the lower left of the house at
284 Rudolf Road, eaves and all.
(23 Apr 04)
On the way to Rudolf Road, I took a moment under lowering skies to document
the area in Carle Place just southeast of the intersection of
Jericho Turnpike, Glen Cove Road (Clinton Street), and Northern
State and Meadowbrook Parkways. Not TOO
complex an intersection, eh? You have to go in off Glen Cove Road
south of the intersection, on Briar Place or the east ends of Raff,
Jerome, Fairfield, or Dow Avenues or north from Westbury
Avenue on Park Avenue. Only Raff connects across the
RoW, but only for pedestrians willing to climb a slight grade. These east
ends are paralleled by the same avenues on the west side of the RoW,
accessible from Donna Lane (at Rudolf) off Jericho Turnpike or
Bruce Terrace off Westbury Avenue.
First, here is the original RoW, untouched except by ol' Ma Nature, herself
(what a worker she is!); the first picture is looking west from the western end
of the eastern portion of Raff (note the difference in grades), then a shot
facing north and another facing south on the RoW between the inner ends of
Jerome, the raw edge of original pavement looking west from the western end
of the eastern portion of Fairfield, north and southward shots on the RoW at
Fairfield, and then another picture facing south between the ends of Dow
overlooking the remains of the grade leading up to the Jericho Turnpike bridge
(this shot matches the northward view from the Turnpike at
Crossings section on Continuation Page 3 and I regret that it doesn't give
any idea of the height of the grade - about 10-15 feet):
(All photos taken 06 Jun 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]
Hey, wait a minute; the LIMP RoW went UNDER Jericho Turnpike!
(23 Apr 04)
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