Roslyn Toll Lodge.
John Russell Pope
Western Terminus
(193rd-199th St./Peck Av./Underhill Blvd./Horace Harding Blvd./LIE).
Alley Pond and Environs
Fresh Meadows Ballfields and Theater
New Hyde Park Posts.
{Unindexed so far.}
Roosevelt Field Area by Chopper (1950).
Roosevelt Field Area by air (1938).
Mitchel Field Area (1937).
Russell and Old Country Roads.
On this Eastern Nassau (County) Page:
The Missing Link! (?) (path of the LIMP RoW from Bethpage State Park
to Battle Row Campground).
Eastern Terminus (Lake Ronkonkoma).
Half Hollow Hills Area - revisited.
Open LIMP Matters - Questions and Speculations.
(moved to a new page 16 Mar 2002)
QUEENS COUNTY.
NASSAU COUNTY.
SUFFOLK COUNTY.
HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY
- continued from main LIMP page, with more photographs.
HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY
- continued, with more photographs, and
List of Toll Lodges and
List of Toll Gates
(these lists moved from main LIMP History Page on 13 Feb 2002).
HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY
- continued, with more photographs.
Who's Who (or Was)
(moved from LIMP History Page 3 on 14 Jan 2002).
HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY
- continued, with more photographs.
The General Manager's House.
Sempre Vivolo (Brentwood Toll Lodge).
Motor Parkway Historical Miscellany
Motor Parkway Auto Tags/Plates
Nassau County Police Photos (moved from LIMP History Page 2 on 21 Nov 03).
(unindexed to date - please scroll away)
This is yet another new (15 Mar 04) page to cover additional information and
photographs of this interesting old highway; see also my
Automotive, Chrysler,
Dudgeon (really!), Mercedes, and
SS and JAGUAR car pages and other related pages.
A Motor Parkway Panel has been convened to keep the
LIMP alive in situ, in minds, and in museums.
There is also a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE
and HISTORY pages.
Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the
Automotive page.
RoW = Right-of-
Way.
LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY - continued
Eastern Nassau County)
(15 Mar 04)
[This is new material about Eastern Nassau County.]
The Missing Link! (?)
(path of the LIMP RoW from Bethpage State Park
to Battle Row Campground).
- Unfortunately, part of what
follows is WRONG! The RoW leaves BSP at JoAnn
Drive and Schoolhouse Lane and heads N, E of Oxford Road.
(29 Dec 06)
Walking the apparent LIMP RoW in the N central section of Bethpage State
Park with the new Conservation Director of
Parks & Trails New York (formerly New York Parks & Conservation
Association) on 26 May 2004, what to my wondering eyes did appear but a
whole "new" (to me) segment of paving! If you will refer to the crude
index map following (it is not even vaguely accurate; just drawn to show
general locations of features), the black-outlined trails within the park are
those shown on both old and current Hagstrom's atlases amnd maps.
However, as soon as you enter through a gap in the park fence at the south
end of JoAnn Drive and walk SE a short way, you find a cross-path
and, turning right, you see what is unmistakeably old LIMP paving.
Walking W on the path, you then see a path parallel to the one on which you
entered from the fence, with paving running NNE and SSW, off in both
directions. Heady stuff! Then you realize you are a blithering
idiot because you don't have your camera with you and will have to return!
(31 May/01 Jun 2004 map by and © 2004 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[See newer map below.]
(29 Dec 06)
Returning on 30 May 04 with the digital and extra batteries and flash memory,
I started out by going to the maintenance building on the W side of Round
Swamp Road, instantly N of the fire house and just S of the intersection
of RSR, Old Bethpage Road, and Bethpage-Sweethollow
(Spagnoli) Road, just S of Hay Path Road. This is where
the berm of the LIMP RoW still exists on the N side of the building, clearly
marking where the RoW rose for the bridge over RSR and lining up exactly
with the path worn into the bank of the old berm opposite in Battle Row
Campground. To my chagrin, I had never really traced out the
RoW between there and the N end of the RoW in BSP. So, to line things
up, I turned R (W) at Fairway Drive and drove around to Motor
Lane until I was opposite Vanderbilt Lane and could see the
back of the maintenance building and the berm beyond a driveway on the E
side of ML. The owner of that house never even knew she had an
historic driveway! Thus, the first picture is taken from the intersection
of ML and VL, looking ENE down the driveway with the maintenance building
visible to the left of the telephone pole and the berm to the L (N) just beyond
the dark trees (that's the faithful Neon at L). Turning around and looking
WSW from the driveway along VL, we are apparently looking along the what
was the RoW:
Picture 01 - Picture 02
(All photos 26 May 2004 by and © 2004 S. berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[All photos thumbnailed - click on images for bigger pictures.]
Then, driving back to RSR and down (S) to Schoolhouse Lane and
turning R (W) on SHL, we find the perimeter fence of BSP on the L and
continue to the intersection with JoAnn Lane and turn R (N) and pull
over. There, on the L (W) is the gap in the fence which corresponde
with the path shown on the Hagstrom's. First, here are photos looking
W at the gap and the path, with a big wood BSP post (NOT a LIMP post, and
the Neon) and then (having driven around the area first), the length of JoAnn
looking N (and the tail of the Neon); the gap is at the rectangular patch of
sunlight along the left curb and the microscopic spot of light above and left of
it is the top of the post in the sunlight:
Picture 03 - Picture 04
Here's a closeup of the post and path taken from the W curb and the post itself
in sunlight, looking NW, showing some chunks of concrete which were exciting
at first but do not appear to be of any sgnificance:
Picture 05 - Picture 06
Standing at the gap, this is what you see and walking to the first bend reveals
this:
Picture 07 - Picture 08
There's that cross-path and, turning right (NW), there's unmistakable paving!
Standing on the paving and looking at the path, there's really not much
question, is there?
Picture 09 - Picture 10
(All photos 26 May 2004 by and © 2004 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[All photos thumbnailed - click on images for bigger pictures.]
Picture 11 is the RoW snaking N and 12 is looking S:
Picture 11 - Picture 12
Folowing the RoW further S, we come to a major E-W BSP trail, with a trail
marker on the NW corner, and just E of that is a confluence of the original trail
on which we entered and several others which confuse everything
magnificently! One would really have to go back there with a plane
table and transit to map all the converging trails accurately:
Picture 13 - Picture 14
Yikes! Trails in every direction! I couldn't even recall just what
15 shows (other than the tangle down where everything crosses at once,
where the RoW seems to disappear) but it was shot from a small rise just past
the S end of the paving, looking down and N at the RoW. 16 is where
the original path and the RoW rejoin as you head N from the tangle, looking E,
and you can see the post and my car on JoAnn in the distance:
Picture 15 - Picture 16
Heading N from where we left off after finding the RoW, we realize that JoAnn
is just off to the right (E) and sure enough, we come to a spot where it is right
next to us:
Picture 17 - Picture 18
Even further N and you can just barely see the house at the NE corner of
JoAnn and Wilshire Road through the undergrowth and then getting
even closer, it's in the picture but quite impossible to make out:
Picture 19 - Picture 20
(All photos 26 May 2004 by and © 2004 S. berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[All photos thumbnailed - click on images for bigger pictures.]
Now, we are trekking N along the RoW next to JoAnn and then, just about at
the corner, the paving just ends!
Picture 21 - Picture 22
We're standing on the end of the paving, there's the corner house, and then
looking back S along the RoW with JoAnn at the L (E):
Picture 23 - Picture 24
Turning L (E) and looking through the shrubbery, there're the street signs for
"S PARK DR" and "JOANN DR" and the stop sign on JoAnn for South Park and
then, trekking back to the gap in the fence at the S end of JoAnn and driving
back the entire length of JoAnn to South Park, we discover that all this hiking
is a whole, WHOPPING 0.1 mile long! Really! From the
fence, at a spot nearest the end of the LIMP paving, here're the same stop
sign (no, I did NOT hit it) and lamp post with the street signs:
Picture 25 - Picture 26
Standing under the signs and looking WSW across the N end of JoAnn, there's
the RoW barely visible through the fence; crossing and shooting through the fence SW,
the RoW is seen as a horizontal trace:
Picture 27 - Picture 28
Poking the lens through the fence, that's the end of the LIMP pavement and
then the same place viewed through the fence looking NW:
Picture 29 - Picture 30
(All photos 26 May 2004 by and © 2004 S. berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[All photos thumbnailed - click on images for bigger pictures.]
Finally, there's that house on Wilshire viewed NE from the fence and, driving a
short distance W on South Park to Weldon Lane, there's another BSP post and
gap with the E-W trail that continues W from the end of the LIMP paving inside
the fence at the corner of SPD and JoAnn:
Picture 31 - Picture 32
(All photos 26 May 2004 by and © 2004 S. berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[All photos thumbnailed - click on images for bigger pictures.]
From all this, I make the sweeping conclusion that the end of the paving noted
is the beginning of a north-eastward sweep that continues across SPD,
East Park Drive, and several intervening local streets, until it ends up
at or near Toll Place, runs diagonally across Vanderbilt Lane, crosses
Motor Lane, becomes the driveway and the berm, and crosses RSR into Battle
Row Campground. Instead of repeating the sketch map above, I've redone it
to include both Bethpage State Park, Battle Row Campground, and Old Bethpage
Village Restoration for your convenience:
(29 Dec 06)
(29 Dec 2006 map by and © 2006 S. berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image - click on map for bigger image.]
Some of the locals with whom I spoke were aware of the significance of this
stretch of paving; most were not. The big thing will be when the stretch of
paving N of the picnic area that was originally covered herein, and ended in
impenetrable brambles, is cleared through the brambles to meet with this
segment just "discovered". When that is done, one will be able to walk
the original LIMP RoW all the way from the Seaford-Oyster Bay
Expressway to the S perimeter fence of the Old Bethpage Village
Restoration at Bethpage-Sweethollow Road (Nassau -
Bethpage-Spagnoli Road in Suffolk)! Better yet, when the entire RoW in
OBVR is cleared (the bridge has been) and a gate cut into the fence, that hike
can continue all the way to the eastern fence, which is the Nassau/Suffolk
county line and adjacent to the sand pits.
- Unfortunately, the above text is
WRONG! The RoW leaves BSP at JoAnn and Schoolhouse
(which, incidentally, turns out to have been the NW end of Claremont Road!) heading
due N behind the houses on the E side of Oxford Road before turning E to cross RSR;
as shown roughly on the new map - I'll have to revise this page heavily some day.
(29 Dec 06)
Mystery Installation - Panel Friend Art Kleiner found this electronics
setup S of the RoW and the OBVR fence; directly in line with the drainage ditch that
goes under the RoW about half-way between Claremont and the bridge and half-way
between the fence and the industrial buildings on the N side of Bethpage-Sweet
Hollow Road (I'm finishing up a locator map as you read this). There is no clue
as to what it was, but there is old electronic equipment inside a small shack and two
tall antenna {?} masts:
(10 Jan 06) and
(12 Jan 06)
(Photos by and courtesy of A. Kleiner - all rights reserved)
A calendar on the floor among the mess is dated 1988 and some of the gear
was made by the Aero-Communications Equipment Company. At least
the gear is American, not Nazi or Russian. If anyone knows more about
this shack or the gear, please contact me.
Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the
many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.
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fire, and emergency personnel!
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